• BeefPiano@lemmy.world
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    13
    arrow-down
    1
    ·
    8 months ago

    I don’t understand how to read the top one.

    So the “a” in “loam” in the middle-bottom, it’s at an intersection of 3 lines. If I follow those lines to each side I see that loam is 60% clay, 40% silt, 60% sand, and 40% sand.

    Ok, maybe I’m not supposed to follow the grey lines, but the cardinal directions? To the left, loam is 20% clay, to the right 80% silt, and below 50% sand.

    The more I try to understand this chart the more confused I get.

    • agent_flounder@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      13
      ·
      edit-2
      8 months ago

      Follow the orientation of the numbers. On the left, horizontal lines. On the bottom SE to NW lines (\) On the right, NE to SW lines (/)

      So, loam is 20% clay, 40% sand, 40% silt.

    • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      8 months ago

      the link is !soilscience@slrpnk.net

      some info:

      the equilateral triangle (US) one is confusing as fuck, if you’re uninformed. Basically, start with two lines, and see where they take you (e.g., 30% clay, 40% sand). The third line tells you what the remaining percentage of the 3rd textural size is (e.g., in this case, silt).

      In the Right angle Triangle (Canadian one) sand and clay to derive your texture. silt is implied (e.g., solve for ‘x’).

      gravel gets counted later, and classified as coarse fragments.

      • Obi@sopuli.xyz
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        3
        ·
        8 months ago

        Didn’t realize there was one unique size for gravel. I’d call gravel anything from slightly bigger than sand to bit smaller than a golf ball.

          • Obi@sopuli.xyz
            link
            fedilink
            English
            arrow-up
            4
            ·
            8 months ago

            Right that’s what I mean! Your first graph made it seem like there was just that one size. That table is super interesting thanks.

            • Track_Shovel@slrpnk.net
              link
              fedilink
              English
              arrow-up
              3
              ·
              8 months ago

              Haha, check out my soil science community. There are rabbit holes (and pictures of holes!) A-plenty there

    • ramble81@lemm.ee
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      5
      ·
      8 months ago

      Took me a while too. The left numbers “clay” are the gray lines that are flat (left to right), the right numbers “silt” go top-right to bottom-left and the bottom numbers “sand” go bottom-right to top left.

      The intersection of any point is the sum of the 3 numbers and always equals 100. So for example, to get “silty clay loam” (middle right side). You follow the 30% for clay line, then the 60% for silt and finally 10% for sand. Those three equals 100%.

      I kept doing what you were too and could not understand why I kept getting over 100% until someone else explained it to me.

      • BeefPiano@lemmy.world
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        2
        ·
        8 months ago

        I think I get it. The arrows on the labels show the direction to read, but aren’t actually by the percentage the represent. Sand percentages are on the left, silt on the bottom, and clay on the right?

        This chart would benefit from color coding the lines and moving the labels and arrows to the values that you’re supposed to read.

        • ramble81@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          3
          ·
          8 months ago

          Not quite. Clay is on the left. Its numbers go from 0 on the bottom left to 100% at the top point and are the flat ones that are horizontal. Silt is on the right and start 0% at the point and go to 100% in the bottom right. Its lines are the diagonal ones that go down and to the left. Finally sand starts with 0 on the bottom right and goes to 100% on the bottom left. Those lines go diagonally up and to the right.

    • gordon@lemmy.world
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      1
      ·
      8 months ago

      From my understanding, the grey lines are for the silt and clay axis, the sand axis is just read vertically and there are no lines.

    • ZombiFrancis@sh.itjust.works
      link
      fedilink
      English
      arrow-up
      4
      arrow-down
      1
      ·
      8 months ago

      It has to do with classification of the soil type. Soils with high clay content function similarly in regard to the soil chemistry and in most fields: hydraulic flow. Soils with such a clay component to be designated as just “Clay” will have consistent structure characteristics and act as a restrictive layer.

  • HobbitFoot @thelemmy.club
    link
    fedilink
    English
    arrow-up
    3
    ·
    8 months ago

    Geotech class was great for a bunch of graphs that made you go WTF in what they were trying to show in a way that made sense visually.

    The lab was really fun, though.

    • atocci@kbin.social
      link
      fedilink
      arrow-up
      7
      ·
      8 months ago

      You’re reading the chart wrong, you have to follow the axis lines that match the angle of the numbers

      • TWeaK@lemm.ee
        link
        fedilink
        English
        arrow-up
        1
        ·
        8 months ago

        I think I see what you mean, but really then you’re only ever looking at soil made up of two types. Clay loam could be 30 clay / 70 silt, or 60 clay / 40 sand, or 30 silt / 70 sand. That doesn’t make sense, because you could also, for example have a 30 clay / 70 silt in the sandy clay loam or silty clay loam regions - the 3rd thing is supposed to tell you where along the line you stop, yet whenever you do that you have 3 percentages that add up to more than 100%.

        Maybe you wouldn’t call it 50% sand, and instead pick one of the sand diagonals to get a point in the clay loam region, but no matter how I look at it the percentages don’t add up.

        • Ech@lemm.ee
          link
          fedilink
          English
          arrow-up
          4
          ·
          edit-2
          8 months ago

          You’re misinterpreting the lines. Each number only corresponds to the line perpendicular to the 100 point on their axis, and each line only corresponds to one number, not the 2 it looks like it connects to.

          So for example, if you’re looking at the middle-top point of the “clay loam” category, right above the ‘l’, you get 30% sand/40% clay/30% silt.

          *I whipped up a rough layout that better indicates which number goes to which line: https://files.catbox.moe/ljm6ih.png. Would be even better with the numbers aligned more precisely, but it’s not worth the effort for all that.