• Vashti
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      That’s not the system we have and it’s not how anything works. You have to vote for whoever can beat the Tories in your constituency, you don’t have a choice.

      If you don’t do that, you’re just a useful idiot for the Tories. Acting like we have PR when we don’t and praying this is the moment of the Green breakthrough, honest, is madness. The UK is moving further and further to the right and short of a revolution we’re stuck with it, so please just vote to get the current shower out.

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      Sadly, I do think the whole thing is an entertainment platform of distraction. Voting for any of these enabling parties only contributes.

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        Thank you Rupert Murdock for your contribution to democracy there, but I’ll get rid of these tory nutters as fast as I possibly can.

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        I’ll remember that when the second Sunak government forces me back into work-related activity. I’m sure it will be very comforting as I’m driven to a nervous breakdown.

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          Or a future Labour administration. Or Liberal and - though unlikely - Green.

          But I’m sure you will enjoy Sir Kid Starver’s soothing voice as he takes away what remaining benefits or entitlements you have so he can slip them to his billionaire pals and media moguls. Try to get his autograph as he does that.

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            Sure. Enjoy your moral purity as we head into the next Tory administration, and the next, and the next. Nothing to do with you, of course.

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              Makes no difference whether the PM is called Sunak or Starmer if they have the same neoliberal policies and prioritise profit and the economy over people.

              We need proper political change and not the “football-ification” entertainment. I’m as pragmatic as the next, but I do think that issues like wiping out child poverty are fundamental. That’s not moral purity.

              • Richard Pineger 🔶UK@mastodonapp.uk
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                @tenebrisnox @vashti you should have listened to us. Leaders can’t change that much. A recognition that the machine is there and we can only steer is honest. Turn too quick and you’ll cause harm. Last Labour government improved all our lives quite quickly. Starmer’s government will too, guaranteed. But there won’t be a revolution, this is just normal stuff, not revolutionary forces.

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                  Not sure how you justify last Labour govt “improving” our lives any differently than Tories (other than superficially). As I recall they conspired in the invasion of Iraq and helped wealth transfer upwards when they bailed out the banks. I come from a working class, council house background and my life hasn’t been improved by either Tories or Labour.

                  I used to work in secondary education. The period under Labour was horrendous: we had the various “National Strategies” which micromanaged how the curriculum was delivered. Cost billions and was a waste of time. They also introduced MATs and PFI which took schools further from democratic ownership and allowed a minority if schools to thrive at the expense of others. Worst of all, their right-wing approaches enabled Gove’s reforms a few years later that have turned schools into toxic hell-holes where everything is measured around exam passes.

                  My view of Labour (and I was a party member from the mid-1990s until very recently) is that it really is an enabler of neoliberal policies. Like the Democrats in US, they are simply the same party as the Tories and just wear different colours. Socialists stay in Labour because they live in hope things will be different.