A innocent animal suffers and dies for you taste pleasure. According to the WHO and pretty much any health organization it is carcinogenic, causes heart diseases, diabetes, pneumonia and according to the IPCC going vegan is the biggest step a single person can do to fight climate change, a step which, if do not take it, even with 0 fossile fuels climate change will destroy agriculture as we know it. But I am old, lol, so whatever.
I do not want to fight climate change unless we have an egalitarian society worth fighting for. I’ve had older folk ask me why they don’t see zoomers recycling as much as they do - this is why.
Also you’re wrong. The most positive climate impact you can have is not having a kid, not having a car and not flying, in that order. But none of these will do anything meaningful when Musk emits more on his private jet alone than I could in a lifetime.
Also the meat you don’t eat mostly just gets tossed because vegans are such a tiny minority it’s not even worth downscaling production in any meaningful sense.
Where I live meat production goes down already, but you not having a kid will not change anything because you not getting laid was so predictable that every climate model considered it already.
E: Nice touch that you did not refute that meat is bad for your health and now focus on “but there are other things too”
Or you can eat meat and tackle inequality. Doesn’t make a difference, ultimately, does it?
And ultimately it makes sense that if one is sacrificing eating meat for the environment, then it should be those that do the most harm to said environment that make said sacrifice first.
It makes the difference preventing the deaths of the animals and reduces water and land usage.
Rich people aren’t going to care unless their society expects them to do better. You’re not giving up anything when you stop eating meat, it’s quite the opposite really you’re much healthier on a whole foods plant-based diet as it increases life expectancy and reduces your risk for chronic illness.
Do not base your character by comparing yourself to the most morally reprehensible in our society.
It makes the difference preventing the deaths of the animals
I don’t care about that. Fundamentally in my view it’s okay to kill animals to eat them because they’re tasty. I don’t think you can really change that view.
and reduces water and land usage
I’ll be happy to make that sacrifice, but the impact to my quality of life will be disproportional compared to the actual savings incurred since compared to a billionaire I don’t consume or produce much environmental damage in the first place.
I’m already doing the most environmentally-sound thing one can do - be child-free. I’m trans so it was gonna happen either way but I’ll claim the points. I don’t drive either, not that I wouldn’t want a gas guzzling F-150 I don’t need to barrel down the crossing by the school in and grind away the plebs below, who wouldn’t? So that’s a helluva sacrifice too.
Therefore I see no reason why I should have to do anything to cover for them until they stop polluting. Fundamentally I see no reason to “save the earth” if we don’t have an egalitarian world worth fighting for, and all indicators point in the opposite direction at the moment.
You’re not giving up anything when you stop eating meat
False, eating meat is one of a few good things about being alive. You may not see it that way but it’s subjective. To me it’s a very significant sacrifice and a reduction in quality of life.
it’s quite the opposite really you’re much healthier on a whole foods plant-based diet
I don’t really care. I’m already doing far too much for my “health”, just so the bastards up top can exploit me into my elderly years instead of being some lead poisoned boomer who just chills out off their infinite house price raises and pensions going to conspiracy conventions or whatever it is they do.
Do not base your character by comparing yourself to the most morally reprehensible in our society.
There’s nothing morally wrong with eating meat in my view to start with so I don’t view any of this as morally reprehensible, it’s a sacrifice and a pretty big one, and living the working class life I already got jack and shit, so its not unfair that we get our fair share first. Then I’ll buy into sacrifices for a world worth saving.
I don’t care about that. Fundamentally in my view it’s okay to kill animals to eat them because they’re tasty. I don’t think you can really change that view.
That is incredibly selfish of you to say. You need to grow up and start caring about others. You sound like a sociopath. You wouldn’t like it if people say they didn’t care about trans people. So knock it off and be better. You have no right to participate and excuse the exploitation and murder of the animals. Many people have changed their minds after they saw the horrors what the animals have gone through.
I’ll be happy to make that sacrifice, but the impact to my quality of life will be disproportional compared to the actual savings incurred since compared to a billionaire I don’t consume or produce much environmental damage in the first place.
I’m already doing the most environmentally-sound thing one can do - be child-free. I’m trans so it was gonna happen either way but I’ll claim the points. I don’t drive either, not that I wouldn’t want a gas guzzling F-150 I don’t need to barrel down the crossing by the school in and grind away the plebs below, who wouldn’t? So that’s a helluva sacrifice too.
Therefore I see no reason why I should have to do anything to cover for them until they stop polluting. Fundamentally I see no reason to “save the earth” if we don’t have an egalitarian world worth fighting for, and all indicators point in the opposite direction at the moment.
That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue… did you know that factory farms workers are exploited relentlessly and it’s often poor folks who are of colour.
False, eating meat is one of a few good things about being alive. You may not see it that way but it’s subjective. To me it’s a very significant sacrifice and a reduction in quality of life.
I dont miss meat at all. There are plenty of tasty plant-based foods out there. You just need to try them out. Look at Turkurky, Impossible and Beyond for direct meat alternatives.
I don’t really care. I’m already doing far too much for my “health”, just so the bastards up top can exploit me into my elderly years instead of being some lead poisoned boomer who just chills out off their infinite house price raises and pensions going to conspiracy conventions or whatever it is they do.
Easy to say that when you’re healthier right now when you can still participate in your own hobbies. We don’t need selfish people like you putting extra strain on the healthcare system.
There’s nothing morally wrong with eating meat in my view to start with so I don’t view any of this as morally reprehensible, it’s a sacrifice and a pretty big one, and living the working class life I already got jack and shit, so its not unfair that we get our fair share first. Then I’ll buy into sacrifices for a world worth saving.
Just because it is enjoyable for you does not make it okay for you to exploit others. Rape is enjoyable for the perpetrators but we all know that isn’t a legitimate excuse.
A innocent animal suffers and dies for you taste pleasure. According to the WHO and pretty much any health organization it is carcinogenic, causes heart diseases, diabetes, pneumonia and according to the IPCC going vegan is the biggest step a single person can do to fight climate change, a step which, if do not take it, even with 0 fossile fuels climate change will destroy agriculture as we know it. But I am old, lol, so whatever.
I do not want to fight climate change unless we have an egalitarian society worth fighting for. I’ve had older folk ask me why they don’t see zoomers recycling as much as they do - this is why.
Also you’re wrong. The most positive climate impact you can have is not having a kid, not having a car and not flying, in that order. But none of these will do anything meaningful when Musk emits more on his private jet alone than I could in a lifetime.
Also the meat you don’t eat mostly just gets tossed because vegans are such a tiny minority it’s not even worth downscaling production in any meaningful sense.
https://www.lunduniversity.lu.se/article/four-lifestyle-choices-most-reduce-your-carbon-footprint
I do not have any kids, that’s why I don’t have to worry about your attitudes. But it is not a single thing we have to change, it all has to change.
Transport accounts for around one-fifth of global carbon dioxide (CO2) emissions …Aviation – while it often gets the most attention in discussions on action against climate change – accounts for only 11.6% of transport emissions.
Food is responsible for approximately 26% of global GHG emissions.
Research suggests that if everyone shifted to a plant-based diet we would reduce global land use for agriculture by 75%
Clark et al. show that even if fossil fuel emissions were eliminated immediately, emissions from the global food system alone would make it impossible to limit warming to 1.5°C and difficult even to realize the 2°C target. Thus, major changes in how food is produced are needed if we want to meet the goals of the Paris Agreement.
Where I live meat production goes down already, but you not having a kid will not change anything because you not getting laid was so predictable that every climate model considered it already.
E: Nice touch that you did not refute that meat is bad for your health and now focus on “but there are other things too”
I like how you ignored everything I said about societal inequities lol.
You people are nutters, drinking from mushy straws isn’t gonna save us, nothing short from a global revolution will.
And even if it might soften the impact slightly let me state once more: I do not give a shit. Unless we burn the rich first, the earth can burn.
Bruh 💀
You can tackle inequality while being vegan 💀
Or you can eat meat and tackle inequality. Doesn’t make a difference, ultimately, does it?
And ultimately it makes sense that if one is sacrificing eating meat for the environment, then it should be those that do the most harm to said environment that make said sacrifice first.
It makes the difference preventing the deaths of the animals and reduces water and land usage.
Rich people aren’t going to care unless their society expects them to do better. You’re not giving up anything when you stop eating meat, it’s quite the opposite really you’re much healthier on a whole foods plant-based diet as it increases life expectancy and reduces your risk for chronic illness.
Do not base your character by comparing yourself to the most morally reprehensible in our society.
Be better than the rich and go vegan!
https://veganuary.com/try-vegan/
where are all the animals that weren’t killed?
I don’t care about that. Fundamentally in my view it’s okay to kill animals to eat them because they’re tasty. I don’t think you can really change that view.
I’ll be happy to make that sacrifice, but the impact to my quality of life will be disproportional compared to the actual savings incurred since compared to a billionaire I don’t consume or produce much environmental damage in the first place.
I’m already doing the most environmentally-sound thing one can do - be child-free. I’m trans so it was gonna happen either way but I’ll claim the points. I don’t drive either, not that I wouldn’t want a gas guzzling F-150 I don’t need to barrel down the crossing by the school in and grind away the plebs below, who wouldn’t? So that’s a helluva sacrifice too.
Therefore I see no reason why I should have to do anything to cover for them until they stop polluting. Fundamentally I see no reason to “save the earth” if we don’t have an egalitarian world worth fighting for, and all indicators point in the opposite direction at the moment.
False, eating meat is one of a few good things about being alive. You may not see it that way but it’s subjective. To me it’s a very significant sacrifice and a reduction in quality of life.
I don’t really care. I’m already doing far too much for my “health”, just so the bastards up top can exploit me into my elderly years instead of being some lead poisoned boomer who just chills out off their infinite house price raises and pensions going to conspiracy conventions or whatever it is they do.
There’s nothing morally wrong with eating meat in my view to start with so I don’t view any of this as morally reprehensible, it’s a sacrifice and a pretty big one, and living the working class life I already got jack and shit, so its not unfair that we get our fair share first. Then I’ll buy into sacrifices for a world worth saving.
Pretty ignorant and arrogant of a response.
That is incredibly selfish of you to say. You need to grow up and start caring about others. You sound like a sociopath. You wouldn’t like it if people say they didn’t care about trans people. So knock it off and be better. You have no right to participate and excuse the exploitation and murder of the animals. Many people have changed their minds after they saw the horrors what the animals have gone through.
That is whaboutism distracting from the real issue… did you know that factory farms workers are exploited relentlessly and it’s often poor folks who are of colour.
I dont miss meat at all. There are plenty of tasty plant-based foods out there. You just need to try them out. Look at Turkurky, Impossible and Beyond for direct meat alternatives.
Easy to say that when you’re healthier right now when you can still participate in your own hobbies. We don’t need selfish people like you putting extra strain on the healthcare system.
Just because it is enjoyable for you does not make it okay for you to exploit others. Rape is enjoyable for the perpetrators but we all know that isn’t a legitimate excuse.