This is opinion. So read it as such. But consider it please.
Obviously if you read this based on the title. I assume you oppose the Tories.
But if you are wondering why labour are so keen to manage expectations. There is a reason.
Campaign funding wise the Tories are estimated to be 19m ahead of labour. But honestly at the moment they are not spending a huge amount more.
We know the Tories are skilled at election manipulation. So there is genuine fear that the Tories plan to launch a campaign within the last few days.
I.E. when there is less time and funding to ensure fact checking is effective.
They know Starmer is more publicity aware then Corbyn was. He is able to play it in a way that dose not scare traditional Conservative voters.
They also know thanks to Boris, that the courts are unable to punish them for outright lies during any political campaign. And that Rishi is prepared to lie about and accuse civil servants of lying when challenged.
As huge as polling is against the Tories. All it would take is some dramatic claim against the party or Starmer. To convince Tory traditional voters to bite their tongue and vote Tory. While convincing left wing voters not to vote or to switch to 3rd party in seats where labour are the 1st or 2nd party.
The fact we know they have a huge amount of money unspent. Makes it clear they plan to launch something nearer the end of the election. And the only advantage of leaving it so late. Is it will limit the ability of the party to effectively react. Or fact checkers to be able to prove and distribute evidence of lies.
Please be prepared for this.
Agreed. But its not about starmer being good. Its about being less bad then the Tories.
FPTP is an utter fuck over of an electoral system. That leaves very few places where voting 3rd party or even not voting is not a vote for Tory rule.
Its unpleasant but a simple fact that evil is quantifiable. When your choice is limited via the voting system. Refusing to vote for the lesser of 2 evils basically means you support goes to the greater.
This is the same bullshit people use to justify voting for Biden.
Yep that is because under FPTP it is the truth. The US is one of the few other nations that use the shitty system. So yes if you refuse to vote Biden you are Basically giving your vote to the Trump camp.
Something only people who actually think trump will do less harm trhen biden should do.
And anyone who thinks that. Really is not worth listening to.
Ah, but I am also refusing to vote for Trump, so by the transitive properties of dumb fucking liberal math I am also giving my vote to the Biden camp
If you genuinely cannot see a difference between the 2. Yep that is correct. But you are also more blind then I am.
Joe Biden ran against Trump’s horrific immigration policies and wall building. Joe Biden is now pushing an immigration policy that is even worse than Trump’s. Joe Biden has waived dozens of laws to facilitate the construction of Trump’s border wall through environmental preserves.
Joe Biden ran against Trump’s horrific foreign policy and trade war with China. Joe Biden has changed nothing, instead doing the opposite and pressing China even harder and stacking pathetic foreign policy blunders higher than Trump’s stupid ass did.
Joe Biden refused to engage in any diplomacy with Russia. The war in Ukraine is a direct result of that.
Joe Biden is fully supporting Israel’s horrific genocide.
Joe Biden and Donald Trump are both fascists.
If you genuinely think voting for a genocidal, racist, anti-immigrant bastard like Biden is going to do anything good, then I put it to you that you are a fascist.
This is UK politics but
Trumps policy was racist aimed specifically at Muslim nations and his wall was just stupid. Bidens is bad but no more fascist then the last 100 years of US politics. IE still evil but less evil and stupid then trumps. Certainly no more so.
As is the EU and most of the west. But he actually ran against trumps claims of leaving NATO and other foreign policies. As far as evil. I am not sure economic fights with a different powerful nation even count as evil. Its not like they cause suffering towards members in that nation. If it was a 3rd world nation sure. Its dumb. As its not good for the US economy. But then nor is losing all of your manufacturing capability to nations that are cheaper. But that is an opinion many politicians disagree with. Capitalist corporations have done way more harm to western economies over the last 50 years then either trump or biden as far as losing skilled workforce. And lets face it. The actions of china spying and using threats to control US UK and EU citizens who originate from china. Hardly leaves it as one sided.
Utter and total bullshit. Nato spend decades agreeing to nato not accepting nations that border Russia. A nation that murdered people inside the UK a US and Nato allies during trumps leadership. (not blaming trump for that. Just pointing out the relationship biden inherited) Russia has for a couple of decades been an unreliable partner in diplomacy. And the US is far from the only nation that decided they were not allowed to bully their way after Crimea. While Trump literally broke US law and prevented funding going to Ukraine after congress had approved it. While asking for info to help his election campaign. The whole idea of diplomacy with Russia was lost long before trump lost office. Entirely due to Russia actions.
Remember this is a nation that signed an agreement with the Ukraine to respect their independence in exchange for the Ukraine giving up nuclear weapons the USSR built there. Then used the nations lack of weapons and NATO agreement not to accept border members to strip Crimea from the Ukraine. Russia did not want piece without expansion.
Agreed. But so is congress the senate and the party trump claims to represent. Along with a sizeable proportion of US voters. If you think trump will stop it. I have a huge wall on the US Mexico border to sell you.
Add the fact that Biden has never tried to start a civil war to hold on to political office.
Its really not hard to find a worst candidate out of 2 bad options and you live in a nation where not voting only gains 0 If you really cannot see any disadvantage of one over the other. I assure you the world outside the US def dose.
Gaza is bidens biggest negative. But trump is in no way likely to be better for them.
Sorta like the UK. Tories and labour are both crap on Gaza the main diff is Tories are currently in charge. But no one is voting labour because they think gaza will be better off. If we had proportional representation like most of the rest of Europe Labour would not win. They would be the largest party. But FPTP gives to much of an advantage to the larger parties. Heck if we did not have a parliament rather then a presidency we would also be on a complete 2 party system like the US. But the fact we do not vote for our PM. Allows allows smaller parties to gain constituency power but not national. Once you have 30% of the vote the maths gives huge advantages over smaller parties.
I was right, you’re a fascist
Motherfucker literally argued against hypothetically killing Hitler.
Scratch a liberal and a fascist fucking bleeds. I may still be an anarchist but I’d sign on with comrade Stalin at this point.
These people deserve the same fate as the Nazis. Yeah yeah I am being uncivil. Fuck if I care, civility is for cowards. What the fuck you gonna do vote me off the internet?
Yeah that’s how I’d sum up your response
NATO is a fascist organization whose leadership has included literal nazis who worked for fucking Hitler and if Trump was actually anti NATO he would be the harm reduction candidate
That’s rich, given how much support Putin has given to the fascist parties in western Europe.
Russia had already invaded and occupied Crimea in 2014. The war in Ukraine is a direct result of that, and of Russia’s failed attempt to impose their quisling Yanukovich on the Ukrainians. Or do you also want to claim that the seizure of Crimea from Ukraine happened because someone was mean to the poor, gentle Russians, who for some utterly unfathomable reason are despised by every country that they formerly dominated? And of course the Russians had no choice but to wage a war of conquest against a nearby country that they had already been attempting to destabilise? And why would that be? It couldn’t possibly be nostalgia for empire.
Amazing that you have knowledge prior to 2022 but haven’t factored in the fascist coup that took place in 2014 followed by arming Nazi brigades to shell schools and churches in Donbass and Crimea.
For fucks’ sake, think about things materially, not like some children’s book narrative.
I am saying neither will do less harm. We’ve had this tired debate too many times to go into it but in the case of Biden his administration has done nothing to reverse or curtail the worst of Trump’s policies and he managed to somehow be even MORE racist on immigration.
Lesser evilism is a trap and you are better off organizing more direct action. I don’t vote for either candidate that supports genocide, simple as.
It is not and never has been a case of only one or the other.
And anyone who has been involved in direct action and who is paying attention will know that moral ambiguity doesn’t magically disappear. You’re still going to make mistakes that hurt people, and sometimes you’re going to have to do shitty things for the greater long-term good.
Yep and that comes under my final statement.
So why are you still bothering trying to tell people to vote for these ghouls?
I am mad and throwing civility out the window but I am also genuinely curious.
How do you hold those two contradictory thoughts together in your brain at the same time?
All choices are simple to the simpleminded.
cool no answer just a pithy condescending personal insult got it.
The fight to resist evil is never wholly successful, but always necessary.