A new Calculus poll suggests that any gains made by the PM after Liz Truss's disastrous spell in charge have been wiped out, with Labour recording a 21 point lead as Tories turn on Rishi Sunak
Anything is better at this point, we just need to get rid of the clowns and hopefully the shakeup (it the tories become third or lower and not the opposition) will give us the opportunity to really change the country for the better
I think the ideal situation would be a Labour minority government, with the Lib Dems as king maker to force PR through.
Of course, anything would be better than the Tories, New labour was so much better than the last decade of austerity. But I really dont trust Starmer and his constant changing of position/swing rightward.
They got the AV referendum out of coalition with the tories and got massacred. Has enough changed that PR is vaguely plausible? Both main parties are weakened by factionalism but that will probably make their voters fear PR even more since it presents the risk of the “other” beating them. I just don’t see how PR can be achieved without an actual implosion of a party. The tories are really teasing it but they aren’t broken yet it seems (much to my surprise).
Liberal Democrats are effectively centre right. They propped up Cameron’s conservatives which brought in the austerity years that irreparably damaged the country. They promised to abolish tuition fees, then voted to increase them. They supported cuts to the NHS and police that were still now feeling the effects of.
You also referenced LD as a party but Starmer by name, even though we don’t elect a president. He is just a figurehead for the party. If PMs had as much power as a president, don’t you think it would be a much bigger deal when any of the last handful of Tory PMs resigned?
LibDems were always against it, but were a minority in a coilition and basically had no power. Tories were never going to vote against it, but were willing to put AV on the table.
They offered Labour first, but Labour didn’t want a coilition. It was a gamble that could have changed everything, and unfortunately it was a gamble that the public didn’t support because even Labour was against it.
Why anyone would vote Labour is beyond me, didn’t they vote for tution fees in the first place?
focusing on the leader is ok but its not the main course. This lead as long as it holds will bring so many centre left and left MPs to Parliament its going to rival 97 if not better it. The policies will have to come from Conference in summer, so Starmer will fight a manifesto of Labour issues. What starmer is doing is making sure he dosnt spook the horses like Corbyn did, it was close but not over the line. We have to get it over the line, we have to kill these parasites and consign them to history.
You’ll never get a sensible answer from people who put down comments like this.
Starmer would clearly be better than Sunak, but to say so would be a fundamental issue because their tribalism prevents them from saying anything nice about anyone other than their chosen flavour of Labour.
I mean, he is calling him a Tory. Says everything really, can’t be a Socialist unless you agree with me on every point.
I mean, I’ve heard that he is more of a centrist compared to his predecessor, but what I’ve been hearing about him makes it sound like he is a plant - which I refuse to believe - but I do want to know where he stands.
I agree with you though, I don’t think I can get a clear answer here, unfortunately.
Are you referring to the delisting from last week where people were doing stupid things, get delisted and then whinging about it? Liking twitter posts that say Starmer should be removed and calling him names or walking away from crucial votes? Yeah, that’s going to get you party support. They sound like idiots who shouldn’t really be politicians.
Making factless snide remarks about the party leader, who has had his background combed through, had people in his party read through his background and still vote for him? Sound like a Tory trying to make Labour in-fight so they are less of a challenge to the Conservatives.
Ok, fine, clearly good news. But PM Sir Starmer . . . just a red Tory.
Anything is better at this point, we just need to get rid of the clowns and hopefully the shakeup (it the tories become third or lower and not the opposition) will give us the opportunity to really change the country for the better
I think the ideal situation would be a Labour minority government, with the Lib Dems as king maker to force PR through.
Of course, anything would be better than the Tories, New labour was so much better than the last decade of austerity. But I really dont trust Starmer and his constant changing of position/swing rightward.
They got the AV referendum out of coalition with the tories and got massacred. Has enough changed that PR is vaguely plausible? Both main parties are weakened by factionalism but that will probably make their voters fear PR even more since it presents the risk of the “other” beating them. I just don’t see how PR can be achieved without an actual implosion of a party. The tories are really teasing it but they aren’t broken yet it seems (much to my surprise).
I find comments like this perplexing.
Liberal Democrats are effectively centre right. They propped up Cameron’s conservatives which brought in the austerity years that irreparably damaged the country. They promised to abolish tuition fees, then voted to increase them. They supported cuts to the NHS and police that were still now feeling the effects of.
You also referenced LD as a party but Starmer by name, even though we don’t elect a president. He is just a figurehead for the party. If PMs had as much power as a president, don’t you think it would be a much bigger deal when any of the last handful of Tory PMs resigned?
I find comments like this perplexing.
LibDems were always against it, but were a minority in a coilition and basically had no power. Tories were never going to vote against it, but were willing to put AV on the table.
They offered Labour first, but Labour didn’t want a coilition. It was a gamble that could have changed everything, and unfortunately it was a gamble that the public didn’t support because even Labour was against it.
Why anyone would vote Labour is beyond me, didn’t they vote for tution fees in the first place?
As a (largely former) lib dem I’m not really sure we can be trusted to hold any sort of balance in power in a minority government
We didn’t do so well last time
focusing on the leader is ok but its not the main course. This lead as long as it holds will bring so many centre left and left MPs to Parliament its going to rival 97 if not better it. The policies will have to come from Conference in summer, so Starmer will fight a manifesto of Labour issues. What starmer is doing is making sure he dosnt spook the horses like Corbyn did, it was close but not over the line. We have to get it over the line, we have to kill these parasites and consign them to history.
Is he really that bad? Genuinely asking, where can Iearn more?
You’ll never get a sensible answer from people who put down comments like this.
Starmer would clearly be better than Sunak, but to say so would be a fundamental issue because their tribalism prevents them from saying anything nice about anyone other than their chosen flavour of Labour.
I mean, he is calling him a Tory. Says everything really, can’t be a Socialist unless you agree with me on every point.
I mean, I’ve heard that he is more of a centrist compared to his predecessor, but what I’ve been hearing about him makes it sound like he is a plant - which I refuse to believe - but I do want to know where he stands.
I agree with you though, I don’t think I can get a clear answer here, unfortunately.
Nothing he has done makes him sound like a plant.
Are you referring to the delisting from last week where people were doing stupid things, get delisted and then whinging about it? Liking twitter posts that say Starmer should be removed and calling him names or walking away from crucial votes? Yeah, that’s going to get you party support. They sound like idiots who shouldn’t really be politicians.
Making factless snide remarks about the party leader, who has had his background combed through, had people in his party read through his background and still vote for him? Sound like a Tory trying to make Labour in-fight so they are less of a challenge to the Conservatives.
Not saying I’ve heard/seen him do anything that makes him look like a plant, I’ve heard people talking about him that way (sorry I badly worded that)
Agree with what you wrote