He was represented by the same legal company as Dean Barnett, who died from a gunshot.
  • taanegl@lemmy.world
    2746·
    7 months ago

    Goddamn. If there’s ever a class action suit where the witnesses get leaked, we might see the first case of corporate serial killing…

    Can we then finally have corporal punishment for corporations plz? Corporal corporate punishment.

  • inb4_FoundTheVegan@lemmy.world
    2072·
    7 months ago

    It’s important to remember that Boeing isn’t JUST a plane company, but a government contractor that does a massive amount of rocket work for the armed forces.

    There are more people than stock holders that have a vested interest in Boeing.

    • nondescripthandle@lemmy.dbzer0.com
      512·
      7 months ago

      Including just about every single person who promised and/or would end up being responsible for conducting an investigation on them. Boeing is basically above the law as long as they pay the fines levyed by the courts that are overwhelmingly on their side.

  • slacktoid@lemmy.mlEnglish
    696·
    7 months ago

    Lemme guess, they died of natural causes like gravity or something right?

      • neuropean@kbin.social
        4010·
        7 months ago

        Pneumonia and a MRSA infection, also suffered a stroke. I wonder if someone could weaponize MRSA, perhaps aerosolize it?

        • Ranvier@lemmy.world
          47·
          7 months ago

          MRSA is just a version of staph aureus that is resistant to some common antibiotics. The antibiotic resistant version is common everywhere now since we use so much antibiotics. The antibiotic resistant version doesn’t make someone sicker in and of itself than the non resistant version, it just doesn’t respond to some antibiotics. From context I gather this was MRSA pneumonia.

          Staph aureus lives on all of our skin, mouth and external surfaces. It’s not like something you catch, it’s something that’s already there and takes advantage of an opening, like a wound, lungs already damaged by a recent flu virus or something, or a weakened immune system. It’s common that people in the hospital get staph infections, because they’re already there for something else making them sick that gives staph an opening. Strokes are also more common in hospitalized patients that are sick with other things. Strokes usually aren’t directly related to an infection, but the pro inflammatory response can increase clotting and make a stroke more likely. Strokes also can inversely make pneumonia more likely, if you have trouble swallowing and saliva and secretions are going down the wrong tube, then it creates an easy way for bacteria from your mouth like staph to get to the lungs and start up a pneumonia.

          Tldr: MRSA is on your skin right now, don’t worry about it too much, don’t overuse antibiotics

          • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de
            19·
            7 months ago

            Ever woke up and noticed a small zit or pimple? Yep, that’s likely a staph infection, although there might be some streptococcus in there as well. They probably also entered your blood stream, but got quickly eliminated by your immune system. It’s all about the bacterial load.

            Which is why you should not scratch wounds, even when they itch really bad. Here is a pic of my leg from almost a year ago, it got out of control because I kept scratching the wound and ignored the occasional flaring pain until it got so bad that I almost passed out when moving my leg. This is a combination of staph aureus and strep pyogenes when they really thrive in your wound. If those had been resistant strains, I would have been in a lot of trouble.

            graphic image

              • Karyoplasma@discuss.tchncs.de
                3·
                7 months ago

                Well, shortly before Christmas 2022, a friend from out of town came over to drink and reconnect. Somewhat late into the evening, I was going to the refrigerator to get some more beer and on my way there I have to pass 2 devious steps totaling about 15cm in height. I slipped, or tripped -I don’t really remember-, and fell bang on the edge of the upper step. A fair bit of my tumble was cushioned by my behind (left a bruise there) and the rest was absorbed by my leg. Pic below was from the morning after and the pic in my post above was after a month of scratching that wound and ignoring the damage I inflicted.

                It’s a pretty neat comparison, you can really see the swelling and which parts of the wounds were surface scratches and which went deeper.

                less graphical image

          • Infynis@midwest.socialEnglish
            402·
            7 months ago

            It’s possible. But corporations haven’t changed in the past 100 years. Wizards of the Coast hired the Pinkertons, film studios have more power now than they ever did back when they were broken up with anti-trust laws, and children are still working in dangerous factories. It’s not much of a stretch to believe that a massive military contractor would engage in some good old fashioned corporate assassination.

            • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
              2·
              7 months ago

              Or heck just someone who works there and doesn’t want to go down with the ship. I doubt they are having high level board meetings about plans to kill people.

          • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
            132·
            7 months ago

            Sure, and I could be Andy Kaufman. You have to admit that there is at least a chance that Andy Kaufman didn’t die of cancer, faked his death, hid for decades for no clear reason, and is talking to you now.

            • sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works
              42·
              7 months ago

              That’s true, but I would say its significantly less likely than my theory of a person dying, as they often do. Its also a distinct possibility it was caused by an external force as people here are insinuating. I just don’t think its a good idea to pretend that’s the only plausible explanation.

              • afraid_of_zombies@lemmy.world
                12·
                7 months ago

                Sure must be a coincidence. Nothing to see here. Another Boeing whistleblower just randomly died within a month of a different one.

                I wonder if you will maintain your position when the next one dies

                • sanpedropeddler@sh.itjust.works
                  1·
                  7 months ago

                  I have no position other than believing its a possibility it wasn’t an assassination. Assuming that’s what you’re referring to, yes I will maintain that position.

        • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
          61·
          7 months ago

          dude literally all you have to do for this shit is put people in incredibly stressful situations. It’s commonly understand that medical issues, particularly serious ones are worsened by stress.

        • RunningInRVA@lemmy.world
          51·
          7 months ago

          It was an hospital acquired infection. It happens frequently. This conspiracy talk here is just nuts.

            • RunningInRVA@lemmy.world
              32·
              7 months ago

              No it didn’t. The first guy died of apparent suicide. I agree that one feels suspicious, but I think there are a lot of “what ifs” getting clumped together into a giant shitball of a conspiracy.

        • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
          53·
          7 months ago

          Getting ahold of mrsa bacteria from a person who currently has an infection would be a trivial matter. The stuff is more hardy than most virus’ and can survive on things like towels for upwards of a week without even trying to keep it alive.

            • ColeSloth@discuss.tchncs.de
              1·
              7 months ago

              First of all; I was only answering the question about if you could weaponize mrsa. Not anything about if this guy could have had it done to him. MRSA survives on surfaces for extended periods of time and is very contagious, so yes, it would be easy to do.

              As to the rest of your comment: MRSA can cause sepsis, and coagulopathy is a common symptom of sepsis. So really you’re just asking the wrong question. The guy died of complications from a MRSA infection.

              • ✺roguetrick✺@lemmy.world
                1·
                7 months ago

                It’s not nearly as contagious as you’re making it out to be. I’m a nurse who directly cares for patients with MRSA. Nosocomal infections are a major issue and require contact isolation to prevent but MRSA in general is not a particularly scary pathogen. If you wanted to deliberately infect someone, you’d have to straight up inject them with it.

                Staph aureus is already everywhere and even community aquired MRSA is becoming common.

                There was a time when we screened everybody, but now we don’t even do that. It ended up being considered a waste of contact isolation gear and carer time to gown up before you entered 1 in 5 rooms that just happened to have a positive MRSA skin swab.

  • Buffalox@lemmy.world
    644·
    7 months ago

    At his age it’s pretty normal to die from a stroke, if you are 20 years older.

    • Thrashy@lemmy.world
      372·
      7 months ago

      Looks like the stroke was a complication from a systemic MRSA infection, which would not be my assassination agent of choice if I was trying to kill somebody on purpose, even if I did want it to look like an accident. MRSA only kills about 1 in 4 people infected with it, and many of those are people who are already hospitalized for some other serious illness. It strikes me as a rather low-probability way to kill a healthy adult.

      • a lil bee 🐝@lemmy.world
        453·
        7 months ago

        I really hate it when this sort of thing happens. If you read into this particular death, it looks like a tragic series of unfortunate events and not anything nefarious. The earlier whistleblower death looked truly suspicious and I don’t fault people for that one, but this one just isn’t. Now this family is going to be dealing with a conspiracy and hounded by insane people while trying to grieve their loved one. I wish people could really look into these things instead of just reacting because Boeing has been sketchy lately.

        • maynarkh@feddit.nl
          323·
          7 months ago

          The root of the problem is that the general lawlessness and the actual proven conspiracies make everyone rightly paranoid. If the govt didn’t cause the crack epidemic, or didn’t actually try brain control experiments on their own citizens, or didn’t surveil literally everyone, this wouldn’t happen.

          • a lil bee 🐝@lemmy.world
            6·
            7 months ago

            Sure, I’m not assigning any blame in my original comment. I agree with your comment, but I also still think we have a personal responsibility to look into these things and be critical. Conspiracy theories can be a failure of the state and of the individuals.

            • maynarkh@feddit.nl
              1·
              7 months ago

              The thing with assigning responsibility is that it does not ever solve anything.

              Assigning it to individuals actually does prevent solving issues, since if you assign individual responsibility to a systemic problem, you get to - instead of looking for a root cause - say “people should just be better”. By attributing it to some individual moral quality, you get to avoid the hard questions - like “why is everyone stupid?” or “why is everyone immoral?”, and not realize the environment in which these people live foster the stupidity or immorality, and the only way to solve it would be education or higher standards for leaders.

              • a lil bee 🐝@lemmy.world
                1·
                7 months ago

                I agree with everything you said, genuinely. Ignoring societal factors would be foolish and expecting personal responsibility to be the deciding factor is naive. All that said, to ignore it entirely leaves you with an incomplete view as well. People have the potential to be more than our nature and circumstances dictate us to be.

                To address your point directly, I don’t expect anyone to do anything. I do though believe that personal responsibility is a core element of any non-autocratic political system. I will ask for it, because my fellow citizens belong to the same government I do and I have a vested interest in it working. I’ll also be doing what I can to improve those contextual circumstances we mentioned earlier. Expect, though? No, I really don’t.

                • maynarkh@feddit.nl
                  1·
                  7 months ago

                  I understand your point, but “a culture of personal responsibility” will still be a societal thing. On a moral level, you can of course assign blame to individual people, but that will not solve the problem, and my point is that a lot of people use personal responsibility to distance themselves from a problem and justify why they aren’t solving it.

                  What I mean is that it is beneficial to think of personal responsibility when you think of your personal responsibility. You see somebody stealing public funds? You go and be the whistleblower because you are responsible for making society a better, fairer place.

                  The problem is when people go and see a problem as someone else’s personal responsibility. Simple example, you see a guy throw away some trash on the sidewalk. If you think it’s their personal responsibility to keep our streets clean, and you justify not picking it up after them, the trash will still be there, as long as someone doesn’t pick it up.

                  The point is, it’s fine to think whatever, but thoughts in themselves won’t solve problems. Thoughts are secondary to actions, and whatever thoughts you have that motivate you making the world better are good, and whatever thoughts push you into apathy, or even stir you to actively make the world worse, are bad. The notion of personal responsibility can be both.

      • exanime@lemmy.today
        1·
        7 months ago

        The sad part is that the situation would be the same if this person had died from a shot to the back of the head while tied to a chair

  • Smoogs@lemmy.world
    6511·
    7 months ago

    It’s gotta be the same trolls that visit every Boeing thread claiming accidents are the fault of the airport not the manufacturer. They are fucking relentless.

    • Strykker@programming.dev
      202·
      7 months ago

      First off fuck Boeing. Second off. When a part falls off of a 30 year old plane it’s typically because the airline that owns it fucked up in the maintenance of the plane, sometimes it’s the manufacturer not stating a correct procedure, or having the stated intervals too long, but just as many aviation accidents have been caused by fuckups during maintenance.

      • Aux@lemmy.world
        162·
        7 months ago

        Or sometimes manufacturers simply send a wrong manual which doesn’t apply to your aircraft at all. And it turns out you have to order one from across the ocean because the whole continent got the wrong manuals. Don’t ask how I know.

      • Smoogs@lemmy.world
        149·
        7 months ago

        Any post with the name ‘boeing’ usually comes with the ‘actually’ bots. Just give this one some time for them to recalibrate

        • theherk@lemmy.world
          113·
          7 months ago

          Probably, but I can’t help but feel you are what you accuse here, leveling an accusation at a target which doesn’t exist yet.

        • PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
          81·
          7 months ago

          Those people are just clarifying headlines that give no idea how long the plane was in service. If they’ve been in service for over a decade it stands to reason that the maintenance on the plane might have been faulty. OFC Boeing should be investigated due to the door plug blow-out, and have previously demonstrated their willingness to cut corners with the Max debacle. That doesn’t mean every incident is their direct fault, and Airbus can suffer similar incidents but not be reported on.

              • Strykker@programming.dev
                41·
                7 months ago

                Apparently not wanting to burn Boeing to the ground regardless of who was in the wrong is a sign of being a bot

              • Optional@lemmy.world
                14·
                7 months ago

                Er, no - because the crashes weren’t the topic. It was just very sudden-left-turn which felt bot-like. Agreed about the Boeing crashes, they’re just different from the deaths of the Boeing whistleblowers.

                • PaupersSerenade@sh.itjust.worksEnglish
                  3·
                  7 months ago

                  I was responding to someone who specifically brought up the crashes…

                  It’s gotta be the same trolls that visit every Boeing thread claiming accidents are the fault of the airport not the manufacturer. They are fucking relentless.

        • EdibleFriend@lemmy.world
          92·
          7 months ago

          But you spoke as if its already happening. in fact your post reads as if you are replying to someone? Honestly if anyone is coming off as a bot its you dude. I, of course, don’t think you are but…your post makes absolutely no sense in the current context.

  • BlackNo1@lemmy.world
    54·
    7 months ago

    i waa listening to the dollop (great podcast btw) and they talked about how organized crime in america was just replaced by corporations.

        • Schadrach@lemmy.sdf.org
          3·
          7 months ago

          The 9th circle in the Inferno was a frozen lake. Though I’d expect Weinstein and Epstein to end up on the ring dedicated to the lustful rather than down on the 9th with the traitors.

        • Smoogs@lemmy.world
          1·
          7 months ago

          Well wherever you want to put him, I would not put a whistle blower anywhere in the vicinity of a shitbag like him

      • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
        41·
        7 months ago

        hey, if you’re chilling with epstein we would know whether or not he killed himself at the very least.

        Can’t deny that portion of it.

        • Wogi@lemmy.world
          11·
          7 months ago

          He killed himself.

          Was the situation around his suicide orchestrated to give him the best possible chance of killing himself? Maybe. Even that might be giving too much credit to the people who would have the motive to do so.

          He was a guilty pedophile, he knew he was a guilty pedophile, and the easiest way out for him was by wrapping a prison bedsheet around his neck.

          Give me a solution to his death simpler than he wanted to die, and the people guarding him weren’t very good at their jobs, and I’ll buy it.

          • KillingTimeItself@lemmy.dbzer0.comEnglish
            11·
            7 months ago

            Give me a solution to his death simpler than he wanted to die, and the people guarding him weren’t very good at their jobs, and I’ll buy it.

            the fact that someone who isn’t supposed to be capable of committing suicide, manages to commit suicide. Is a pretty damn good argument as for why it’s not entirely up to them, especially in the scenario that they have no legal autonomy over themselves anymore.

            It doesn’t take a genius to figure out that a billionaire running a pedo trafficking ring when left alone for about 23 seconds is going to immediately kill themselves.

  • HootinNHollerin@lemmy.world
    79·
    7 months ago

    Weird to link to a publisher from the other side of the planet of where it happened when there’s plenty closer

  • fukurthumz420@lemmy.world
    532·
    7 months ago

    @Dasus@lemmy.world Man, if Boeing had only sung or used nonviolent resistance, I’ll bet these whistleblowers would have backed down as witnesses.

    Also, tankman is dead. He got ran over by a tank. He really showed them.