• rando895@lemmygrad.ml
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    7 months ago

    Can you point to an example in history where this worked? Because all the examples of successful big changes (womens right to vote for example) have included mass uprisings, and violence directed at those in power, and often their financial interests.

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      7 months ago

      Nonviolence resistance has had successes. It’s a great way of winning over public opinion.

      Here, it’s the establishment resisting regressive forces of change. The Nazi grow when they can show the established ways in bad light. “Look how those woke liberals are. You don’t want to be like that, so you want to be with us.”

      Like those Andrew Tate videos that aren’t directly him, but a laughing response to a video of “liberals” responding to a video of his.

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        6 months ago

        Public opinion is worthless, if the “public” isn’t involved in the fight. Can you give an example of nonviolent resistance working?

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          6 months ago

          We about to have an election, which all about public opinion.

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            6 months ago

            Sure, but that’s public opinion of the political parties. If, say, trans rights are being attacked. You push to get non-terfs into office and you get a few, but not enough to ensure transfolk are safe. What then? I mean, even with enough representatives in office it could take years to make real changes in people’s lives.

            So, do you wait until next election? Accepting in the mean time that hundreds if not thousands of people will become homeless, become socially ioslated, and die by suicide?

            No. I don’t think many would say that is the right course of action. So then what? A mass movement is the only way to force the government’s hand. Peaceful at first sure, but with a clear plan to win, with intentional planned escalations, targeting those in power by threatening their popularity, and financial interests. But why then should you wait until the election? Show those in power what they have to lose through a mass movement before any election occurs.

            That’s how you make change.

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              6 months ago

              The point will be to win over public opinion.