TLDR; go to Linux
[Serious question] Did Microsoft need to fundamentally change something, and that is why they back tracked on their Win10 evergreen promise? Or is this just a cash grab?
They started requiring the use of motherboards with a TPM. Which is compete and utter bullshit because you need to disable the chip to dual-boot, yet Windows 11 will run for several months at a time with the chip disabled before it complains and forces you to temporarily turn it back on again. So requiring it for “security” is just an excuse to force you to buy new hardware.
I’m sure that it’s just the marketing dept changing hands over time. Marketing teams are like a Scott’s Tots situation: they are just trying to say whatever makes the product numbers look good in the near term. Fulfilling on any promises is a future marketing team’s job.
“Of all the empty promises I have made, this one is by far the most generous”
- Michael Scott/Microsoft’s marketing team
Microsoft has done this with every windows they’ve made. After the support period is over, you can pay for additional for a few years to help you transition. This one is so loud because windows 11 was such a privacy bait and switch.
Windows 11 is basically Windows 10, internally it hasn’t changed names. They have to have an external trade name for it or people won’t realize they’re “behind.”
…can i reposition my taskbar?..no?..then it’s not the f*cking same…
I wish that the only problem I had with windows 11 was that I couldn’t reposition the taskbar.
Didn’t they say at one point that windows 10 would be the last windows version as they are switching to a rolling release model?
No they did not. An Engineer said it was the last Windows in the context of “the latest Version”. The press just ran with the wrong headline.
That was just the tech weenies with their ‘architecturally sound strategy’ or whatever, before the business side
beattalked some sense into them.Which MS didn’t deny until they announced they were working on Win 11.
Well, they actually always had an End-of-Life date slated for 2025. But yeah, it wasn’t clear, if that was there just in case, or if they never expected to go through with what they’d been telling people.
Even tho my pc can run windoes 11, still running linux on it.
Me too. Bought a HP laptop made sure it was AMD. It came with win11, wiped it and installed Linux as soon as I got home.
I got an older Dell with Win10 on it to put Linux on. A good suggestion I followed was to find the Windows license key on the system before loading Linux. I then installed VirtualBox and installed Win10 with my key into VirtualBox. I only gave it 20G of space initially, which turned out to be too little for windows to install updates, so I reinstalled it in 30G.
My PC has an NVIDIA card, will that be a problem?
I also have a NVIDIA card, and I use Linux with Wayland. It’s usable for sure! But people are honestly downplaying the issues a lot.
I’ve had a lot of bugs and issues that are pretty annoying, such as apps flickering, performance sometimes (rarely) falling off a cliff for seemingly no reason, the card underclocking itself sometimes when waking from sleep (which kills performance until you reboot), and worst of all, random kernel panics that force me to hit the reset button, losing any unsaved work and risking a filesystem corruption (because there’s no safe way to shutdown since everything is completely and utterly locked up).
I’ve reported these bugs, and most of them have actually been fixed in the latest driver versions! But the kernel panics still happen once in a while, and that’s not great.
So be warned! But don’t be scared off. All of these issues are infrequent. Most of the time, it works without issue, and games actually run really great!
If its an issue, run X11 for the next few years.
Its not a big problem like it is made out to be. There are some distros that don’t ship nVidia drivers (and so you have to find the repo in your distro that does come contain it. I.e. Debian has an repo for it that isn’t readily advertised) so some people have had a hard time. Some distros are just a checkbox this add nVidia. Some like SUSE/OpenSUSE have a repo that nVidia specifically hosts and maintains. So results vary, but I can say I have not had issues with nVidia
Ty for clarifying. The one I’m interested in RN is Mint. From what I’ve heard and the information you’ve provided I suspect it won’t be an issue.
Mint is a solid choice for being a dependable install.
Hardware sometimes makes install / use different amongst everyone.
I.e. I had an old Dell Server Tower from 2007, it would not stay shutdown, so had to add a kernel quirk parameter value to boot options tell the components not to rewake the motherboard on shutdown
You can always test a distro by putting it on a USB and booting into the live environment. This means you can check if everything works hardware wise without having to commit to installing Linux.
Nah, I have never major found problems with nvidia (A gtx 1650 gpu) on linux especially wayland.
It can be A Problem, but AS far AS i heard it usually isnt that much of a problem.
Or you can send your windows 11 incompatible PCs to me, I’ll take good care of them 😁
While I’m absolutely for reusing old hardware and am doing it myself, keep in mind that the security landscape has changed. Old hardware might have security vulnerabilities which could be exploited by malware. Running an up to date OS is not enough to keep you secured.
Any examples of computers with this problem? I can’t think of any. Old BIOS versions maybe but I don’t know of any examples that don’t require physical access to the device.
Sometimes the best thing to do to a Window is leave it closed, forever.
I can’t. I use AutoCAD in my side hustle…
Me too, except Rhino/Grasshopper. Thus, I dual-boot.
I did that before Win 10 even came out.
Glad to hear about 0patch being an option.
Use Windows 11
Here we’re talking about PCs that can’t officially run Windows 11.
Please don’t, unless there is absolutely no other possible option.
You should use it over Windows 10 at this point. The timer on Windows 10 is ticking.
I use it at work. It sucks so much worse then 10. I fucking hate that OS so much. It’s worse than 8. Some of the problems I have may be configurable on a personal PC but the fact that these things were decided as the “default” doesn’t give me any confidence in the people making design decisions at Microsoft.
I think what I hate most is what they’ve done to scroll bars, and the right click menu doesn’t have copy and paste as words any more, and put them on arcane symbols instead.
It’s just a load of completely pointless changes, to avoid people realising that there really isn’t anything actually new in there.
Windows 10 is going EOL. You either move to 11 or switch to something else like Linux. There is no other option
I’m aware and I’m working on a solution for myself. I’m just stating the reasons why there is so much friction. They churned out a turd of an OS and people don’t like it and they don’t give a shit that people don’t like it.
I mean, there are other options but they are not good ones. Overall, I agree. You’re just getting downvotes because lemmings have a hater boner for anything M$, not because you’re wrong.
The fact that you can only open the calendar from the clock on your main monitor is probably the most annoying thing to me. It’s not huge as far as functionality goes but I can do it on my Win 10 desktop, so wtf happened?
Too late.
Have been on the dark side for near 20 years. And I’m not going back.
no thanks.
I would rather put all my private data at risk of hackers than put all my private data at risk of corporate interests.
at least when I pay the hackers they give me my shit back. what’s Microsoft’s excuse?
at least when I pay the hackers they give me my shit back
Firstly, that is absolutely not always the case. There’s no honour among thieves, as the proverb goes.
Secondly, hackers do a lot more than simply encrypt your data and hold it for ransom.
I honestly get so sick of this cult on Lemmy. Your PC is running slow? Install Linux! Some company does something shitty? Try Linux! Sprained your ankle? Have you heard of Linux?
I have Linux installed, I still end up on Windows most of the time because I don’t have the time and patience to manually set up and configure every single thing I do on my PC, also, I like to play a lot of games and use a lot of programs that all become a choir to run if they even do on Linux.
I’m with the other guy you’re downvoting, I’m staying on 10.
Edit: I’m not going to respond to you all individually, a lot of really dumb shit has been said to me, but in particular I want to address the reccuring theme of my “being here” and “leaving”. I’m not here, I just browse All and see a ton of these posts. I don’t really subscribe to anything on Lemmy. Also, I don’t even hate Linux, I just hate your cult like mentality and the way you guys shoehorn it into every discussion, as stated previously, I have Linux installed and have used several different distros over the years.
Did you get lost and forget that this is a Linux community? Where it’s expected that people are pro-Linux?
If you like Windows, that’s fine, but I dunno what you expected from !linux@programming.dev
It’s pretty easy to not notice what community you’re in. I’m subscribed to this because I use Linux and am interested in it, but like JokeDeity I am not under the illusion that many people here are that it is really a viable alternative to Windows for anyone but a small minority for whom fixing bugs is a hobby.
I want my audio to work and my laptop to get more than 2 hours battery life and not hard reboot when it runs out of RAM.
On that last point my most recent attempt to work around the issue was by massively increasing swap. I am a professional programmer with 30 years experience. I’ve been using Linux for 25 years. Increasing swap space was difficult for me.
On Windows it’s a slider in a GUI. Just… stop pretending that Linux is on the same level, please.
I mean, I get it. It can be annoying when earnest questions regularly get the answer, “Delete Windows. Install Linux,” but I’m sure you realize that probably more than half of those “suggestions” are memes, yeah?
But I also don’t think it’s fair to say that it’s not on the same level, because that very much depends on the use cases and what people’s personal philosophies are.
For me, it’s important that I’m not beholden to centralized corporations, and my daily use case is covered by Linux. I don’t play competitive games or the latest AAA titles. I don’t use Bluetooth peripherals. I don’t do video editing or graphic design either as a hobby or as a job. My (UPS) battery is external, and I have 32GB of RAM (and
zramis easy to change, besides).I have a Windows 11 Pro license, but it doesn’t offer me any additional functionality and adds additional negatives (plus, have you ever tried to get support for Windows? The “community experts” are a farce).
Ultimately, while I certainly agree that Linux truly isn’t for everyone, it’s probably for more people than they might realize and could be for people that have particular philosophies and a willingness to give up their Adobe suites, MS Office suites, etc. and learn something new.
Either way, have a lovely day. This seems to be a sore spot for you, and I hope that improves.
Sir this is Wendy’s
No, this is Patrick.
Go ahead, also the !linuxsucks@lemmy.world community is this way for complaints.
W10 has gotten to a point to where it’s alright but not amazing (particularly because SSDs are more standard as OS drives, and can handle the constant read/writes Windows 10 does to it). Feel free to stay but we’ll still be here to support you, when you’re ready to dive in fully, when Microsoft inevitably leaves you behind in support.
W11 is a spyware riddled mess. People need to be made aware of alternatives so they think it’s not the only option when W10 support is dropped.
You make the excellent point that expressing enthusiasm for using Linux to solve problems is entirely inappropriate for an online Linux community.
Listen man, there’s nothing wrong with loving Windows. Plenty of people do. But you’re in a Linux community. If you don’t like it here then leave. There’s nothing wrong with walking away. No need to have unnecessary stress.
This is a post in the Linux community. Why are you here if you hate the content?
To be totally fair, I don’t mind people being critical about Linux in our Linux community. And he brings up a few good points, but loses in some other. And so the arguments he has are muddied with his tone as well, that it comes over as a toxic comment rather than a critical comment pointing real issues.
I’m a Linux fanboy, but even I realize there are problems. And its okay to talk about problems. But its not okay in the tone he did. In my opinion.
Definitely. There’s a difference between critique and criticism. The former has a goal that’s constructive. The latter just seeks to tear down.
I’m not sure if that was his goal, so I wouldn’t say the person was a troll or like that. I think it was just a situation of frustration and then losing control a bit. I’m not excusing it, just trying to analyze and looking between the lines and above and after. Yeah, I pretty much learned this skill from Reddit days. :D
You’re good people. Lemmy is only better if we make it that way with intent and action.
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You never really jumped in both feet, if you really make the switch you only used open source software that runs native on Linux, also you start programming instead of playing games.
it is not easy because there are critical software that people used to work that are not available in Linux such as MS Excel, solidworks, Adobe Suites.
If people need Adobe software for “critical” use cases, then maybe Linux just isn’t for them? Why do we have to behave as though Linux needs to be a perfect glove fit for everyone for it to be a valid option? Lemmy is a reddit alternative. Its not for everyone and that’s fine. Same goes for Linux.
What irritates me most are people that are square pegs complaining they don’t fit in a round hole. Either choose to adapt or stick with the square hole and get over it.
Excel definitely has alternatives on Linux that are great, but there’s absolutely nothing even close to the Adobe Suite, no matter how hard people want to try and cope, nothing compares.
Macros on excel especially with vba are very important and that is why Excel is an industry standard for spreadsheet software. BYW, no alternatives with strong compatibility with that.
I use both Linux and Windows 11 for work. Dual-booting is a best-of-both-worlds scenario.
manually set up and configure every single thing I do on my PC
What distro do you run for linux?
Just don’t upgrade?
I just retired a Windows 7 box this past summer, because it just worked until then.
mofos out here begging for another wannacry
That sounds great for an airgapped device! Most aren’t though
But isn’t it unsecure if you connect it to networks or worse, the internet? I would use Windows 7 ONLY in a virtual machine, or alternatively on real machine that is not connected to the internet.
All I do on my PC is play games and look at memes.
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Who wants to hack this machine?
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Who cares if they do?
Oh no! I’ll have to reformat. Man… That’s minorly annoying.
“I post my browser history on my public Facebook page cuz I have nothing to hide.”
Sums up the average Windows user.
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Dear God I hope that was an airgapped machine…
