Starmer wants that sweet sweet Brexit Red Wall vote so he’s not going to offer anything meaningful by way of rejoin.
Me: Time to vote for a party that wants to rejoin.
Militant Leftists: A vote for anyone other than Labour is a vote for the Tories.
Me: sadge.gif
I’m far from Starmers biggest fan but there’s no way he could sell rejoining the EU right now that wouldn’t make voters turn away from him. Brexit obviously hasn’t gone very well (shock), but aside from a few very politically engaged sorts who might be angry about Brexit on the internet, I’m not sure that Gen Pop wants to go through another cycle of discussing the pros and cons of being a member of the EU.
Yeah, to be honest, I’d love to rejoin - but it feels like there are more pressing things to fix first.
I’d rather Labour ran on voting reform. Probably won’t happen. So I’ll probably vote Green. I hate our electoral system.
I feel like voting reform quickly falls off the leadership’s agenda when it looks like they’re set for an election win. What really bothers me with that philosophy (especially this time around) is that whilst Labour look set for a decent sized majority, it’s far from a landslide.
They had nearly 15 years to get this sorted, and even with dwindling majorities in each successive election it never happened. Which makes me wonder if it’s even a priority at all.
They had 13 years and 5 days. I don’t know who inflating their term serves (other than perhaps people who want to make it look like the Tories haven’t been in power longer at this stage and still somehow are playing the “last-Labour government” card).
“We’d much rather become a client nation for the EU & USA.”
He needs to get in.
I’m still dismayed by the ref result, but he needs to get in first and then enact change. This is gonna take time, and it sucks.
While I think this is the right stance for the next election for this particular issue I do get disheartened with the lack of ambition being talked about by him. Reason being is I expect him to stick to what he campaigns on, unlike Boris or Rishi who I wouldn’t trust to stick to a single pledge in their manifesto and actually deliver something very different (if at all) in reality.
We need radical improvements to education, health, law and order, housing, etc. We can’t do that without increasing the money the government has, through some combination of raising taxes, improving the economy, or reducing spend. It’s not going to be possible to do this without annoying a large cross section of Tory voters he is courting and needs to court. If he sticks to what he campaigns on, are we really going to have to wait for the GE after next?
Always check the bias of the source. The BBC shows clear indications of being Tory biased while trying to say they are not.
Conference season starts next month. There some pretty convincing arguments Sunak is going to pull the trigger on a GE in the Tory conference. Labour have to get in first before we can have honest discussions. Every discussion on Brexit atm is tainted by Tory media.
The BBC shows clear indications of being Tory biased
I love how the BBC is constantly labelled as having right wing bias by leftists and left wing bias by the far right. 😂😂🤣🤡🤣🤣😂
Labour have to get in first before we can have honest discussions.
No. Just have honest conversations now. Stop obfuscating all the time. People aren’t stupid, well the majority aren’t, they can understand long term plans and how they might change. Stop making excuses for this shit system and be honest as to what your long term goals are. Every time it’s the same: “I can’t tell you our plans for government until the very last minute when you have no time to think about them and will be forced into a rushed judgement”. It’s fucking depressing.
I love how the BBC is constantly labelled as having right wing bias by leftists and left wing bias by the far right. 😂😂🤣🤡🤣🤣😂
What’s going on here is that the far right, consciously or not, conflates a kind of attenuated social liberalism and left wing progressivism. What it complains about (and greatly exaggerates) is the extent to which the cultural and creative programming features diversity, the comedy programming doesn’t feature as much bigotry as it would like, and the daily programming (stuff like The One Show) always uses very neutral and PC language.
But this liberal sheen is largely a facade – the political and economic programming is astonishingly right wing, from Andrew Neil formerly hosting (while being chairman of the hard right Spectator), Kuenssberg lapping up and running Tory attack lines, the revolving door between BBC senior positions and the government, the panelling of Question Time and Newsnight, the strong editorial lean towards outdated austerity economics and immigration moral panics, the constant flirtation with right-wing think tanks, and so on. This would be a good introduction to the topic: https://www.versobooks.com/en-gb/products/253-the-bbc.
The BBC has been a good source of news and has fell into the unbiased category in the past. This really is not the case today. That book was written before 2016. The situation is a whole lot worse now because of the aggressive political influence
The BBC does a media front page release everyday. When something is anti-tory they do not publish that media’s page. This is fact that has a long history and one of many the BBC is guilty of. Emily Maitles did a damning break down of how bad the BBC is. She was part of the infrastructure. As for having an honest conversation, this government wouldn’t know one if it jumps up and hit them with a 50lb wet fish. However hit them with a £50 note and you get a very different response.
I love how the BBC is constantly labelled as having right wing bias by leftists and left wing bias by the far right. 😂😂🤣🤡🤣🤣😂
Wouldn’t that indicate they have a centre right bias. Or you know a Tory bias.
I see what you did there 😂
It’s sadly far too soon for any politician to openly come out in favour of rejoin.
We’ve had the conservative party proving they can’t make a go of it. We next need the Labour Party proving they can’t make a go of it either. Only then can a politician say, well neither of the main parties can make a go of it, how about it’s not something that can be done.
I fundamentally agree… I just hate the interim provarication. I wish Starmer would say: “Look this is what we stand for and it is getting back in. It might take a government or two or three but that’s where we are headed.” Instead of courting the hard left Brexit voters that the Tories took away. I get that he needs to be in power to do anything but I hate that he has to get into bed with the Red Wall.
This is the best summary I could come up with:
Sir Keir Starmer has insisted there is no case for rejoining the European Union, after the government accused him of wanting to reverse Brexit.
His remarks were livestreamed but first reported by Sky News on Thursday, prompting claims from Tory ministers that Sir Keir was changing his stance on Brexit.
Housing Secretary Michael Gove said they revealed “the real Keir Starmer” and that he wanted to “re-run the Brexit agonies of the past”.
Asked about the Tory criticism of his comments during a visit to the London Stock Exchange, Sir Keir told broadcasters: “I have repeatedly said that there’s no case for going back into the EU and that includes the single market and the customs union.”
Sir Keir, a former Remain supporter, unsuccessfully campaigned for a second EU referendum as Labour’s shadow Brexit secretary under Jeremy Corbyn.
Labour says it would negotiate a new agreement on the movement on animal products, and recently said it wanted a new deal with the EU to stop migrant crossings over the English Channel.
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Can’t stand Starmer but yeah it would be politically dim to make any sort of commitment on rejoining right now. Among other things, what sank Labour in GE19 (and not 17) was precisely their flirting with a second referendum and the unclarity of their Brexit policy (Starmer was, funnily enough, integral to both).
The Audacity of doing Nothing
