@DessertStorms@GreyShuck@Fudoshin@Zagorath
I agree that starmer would work with the Tories, but I don’t think the Tories will work with Labour.
Our only chance of PR is a coalition between Labour and Lib Dems/Greens.
Labour in coalition is definitely the best chance it has of happening.
That dude’s idea that Labour and the Conservatives would govern in coalition is laughable. In a wartime emergency, maybe, but the two parties just do not get along enough to do it if there is any other option.
I think Labour could probably be talked into getting on board with it over time, too. UK politics is at a point now where Labour is being hurt by FPTP. I think convincing them to go with PR (rather than IRV) is more difficult, but even that would be a big step up.
First of all, I’m not a fucking dude, second off all, have you been paying any attention to new Labour as opposition??? They literally oppose nothing the Tories are doing. NOTHING
They represent the same people, and those people aren’t you
Labour are more right wing than I would like, so I agree with you up to a point.
However, to say Labour ‘literally oppose nothing the Tories are doing’ is plainly untrue. They voted against the Rwanda bill just two days ago, for example, and have promised to repeal it when they come into power (assuming it passes the Lords). If voting against something, arguing against it and promising to repeal it don’t constitute opposing the Tories, I don’t know know what does!
There’s really no chance, short of WWIII, that Labour would enter a coalition with the Tories or vice-versa, and I don’t really understand why you think there could be.
IIRC, Starmer said some time ago that if Labour didn’t win a majority, they would form a minority government rather than a coalition with anyone (also relevant to !Zagorath@aussie.zone’s comment).
@DessertStorms @GreyShuck @Fudoshin @Zagorath
I agree that starmer would work with the Tories, but I don’t think the Tories will work with Labour.
Our only chance of PR is a coalition between Labour and Lib Dems/Greens.
Labour in coalition is definitely the best chance it has of happening.
That dude’s idea that Labour and the Conservatives would govern in coalition is laughable. In a wartime emergency, maybe, but the two parties just do not get along enough to do it if there is any other option.
I think Labour could probably be talked into getting on board with it over time, too. UK politics is at a point now where Labour is being hurt by FPTP. I think convincing them to go with PR (rather than IRV) is more difficult, but even that would be a big step up.
First of all, I’m not a fucking dude, second off all, have you been paying any attention to new Labour as opposition??? They literally oppose nothing the Tories are doing. NOTHING
They represent the same people, and those people aren’t you
Labour are more right wing than I would like, so I agree with you up to a point.
However, to say Labour ‘literally oppose nothing the Tories are doing’ is plainly untrue. They voted against the Rwanda bill just two days ago, for example, and have promised to repeal it when they come into power (assuming it passes the Lords). If voting against something, arguing against it and promising to repeal it don’t constitute opposing the Tories, I don’t know know what does!
There’s really no chance, short of WWIII, that Labour would enter a coalition with the Tories or vice-versa, and I don’t really understand why you think there could be.
IIRC, Starmer said some time ago that if Labour didn’t win a majority, they would form a minority government rather than a coalition with anyone (also relevant to !Zagorath@aussie.zone’s comment).
they will do whatever keeps them in power.