• Tachanka [comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    There’s actually large Ukrainian exile groups living in Canada, including some linked to OUN-B (Organization Ukrainian Nationalists - Bandera faction)

    https://banderalobby.substack.com/p/the-canadian-bandera-network

    Here’s a Ukrainian-Canadian high school student holding a picture of the genocidal Yaroslav Stetsko

    Here’s a bunch of Ukrainian-Canadian children in front of a giant bust of the genocidal Roman Shukhevych

    Some info about Stetsko/Shukhevych (source: https://archive.md/GZa2H):

    Just goes to show you that the war against fascism is global. There is no “fleeing” to places like Canada to get away from this shit. You must arm yourself and get ready to kill fascists within your life time.

  • jack [he/him, comrade/them]@hexbear.net
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    I think you guys are being a bit over the top here about his:

    Germans made three political concessions: It was stipulated that the division shall not be used to fight Western Allies, and would be used exclusively to “fight Bolsheviks”. The other concession was in that its oath of allegiance to Hitler was conditional on the fight against Bolshevism.

    Good thing there’s no link between anti communism and fascism

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      1 year ago

      Holy shit "people that fought in the nazi army were nazos is Russian propaganda.

      Anybody else notice how this “Russian propoganda” has had a way stronger connection to reality than the libs explanation of everything for the last couple years.

  • Cummunism [they/them, he/him]@hexbear.net
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    i posted about this Nazi and then had a debate with my close friend. He’s like, an anarchist or something, but he has the most lib take on Ukraine.

    I pointed out all the nazis and nazi monuments, he says “what about Americas confederate statues?” I said both could be bad and that moving the goalposts and whatboutism.

    Then he said he supports the right to self determination for Ukraine. So i said what about Donbass aka LPR and DPR. He said that’s a Russian psyop, and it doesnt matter that eastern Ukraine is mostly ethnic Russians. He said he’d support Barcelona leaving Spain if they did it “democratically.” Like fucking lol. #vote

    Of course, he’s an “anti-authoritarian” who basically hates all “dictators” like Stalin, and he doesn’t like China at all either. He also wants the wealthy to get redacted. This is why I can’t take anyone seriously when they just spout off against all “authority.” I think it mostly stems from him hating his mother and still acting like a petulant teenager. Authority isn’t going anywhere, it will always be around in one form or another. And anybody who can’t even critically support current and former AES just sounds like a stupid leftist who will truly get nothing done. You can’t just skip every step and end up at anarchy, that’s an 16 year olds view of anarchism.

    • I sent this to my libertarian-turned-lib friend and he immediately said, “Oh he must have been Ukranian Resistance after the war.” But they said he fought in WWII. “Oh well it was late in the war and he didn’t get convicted of any war crimes.” Libs refuse to believe that any Ukrainian can do wrong throughout history now. Canada is apologizing profusely today because they “didn’t know the guy was a Nazi.”

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        “Russia bad” syndrome is pretty fucking insane, its crazy to see people still clinging to cold war rhetoric, especially being born after the cold war. My “anarchist” friend seems to think NATO is a good thing, like it’s not imperialist or unjust in any way. He’s ok with what happened in Libya. That on top of never find an actually existing Socialist state to support just shows me that libs like him don’t support a real path to revolution. I think my friend is just a stupid idealist, who thinks we can revolution and skip all the other steps and get right to anarchism or pure communism. But that isn’t going to happen unless the revolution is worldwide(which is probably won’t be)

        • autismdragon [he/him, they/them]@hexbear.net
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          When someone claims to be an anarchist but they support NATO its just… ok you SAY you’re against all states but somehow you’re for a military alliance of multiple… states? Thats not anarchism anymore.

          Like I may disagree heavily with anarchists who include AES states in their “I"m against all states” stuff but if they are actually consistent about hating states and hate the imperialist powers too then like, at least thats consistent. But so often its not that way. Being “anti-authoritarian” just ends up being an excuse to follow the US state department line to a T.

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            this stupid nerd was in model UN so i think he still hasnt shaken those brainworms.

            it’s impossible to be revolutionary and anti authoritarian. like ok, so we won’t oppress class traitors etc during or after the revolution, because it’s anti authoritarian? how the fuck couldnt anyone plan to win like that? even just taking all of their money and property would be authoritarianism.

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    Canada and the USA are full of literal Nazis. But that doesn’t stop them from saying that they all fled to South America, even though most Italian, Japanese and German immigrants came before the First World War.

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    I had an Arab friend told me he hated Ukraine. Not hated the war or anything like, but just hated Ukraine as a whole. I definitely understood his sentiment but didn’t agree with entirely hating it even after all the obvious Nazism. I took the liberal route of bad apples, that the majority of people do not support fascism. But it’s pretty clear that my friend is correct. I hate modern Ukraine in its entirety - no different than the US or Israel or Nazi Germany or confederate south. This is what Ukraine and its western allies support. Russia shouldn’t give them any concessions

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      1 year ago

      it is worth noting that the Ukrainian people elected Zelensky on a platform of peace and bringing azov to heel. Although everyone from the region I’ve personally met has been massively in favour of war with russia

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        I know a few, and while they’re generally no fan of Putin (who you do not in fact have to hand it to), massively in favour is an overstatement.

        Socialists of course are just in despair with Nazis running free and even the anti-Russian left censored and shut down, but even with libs who regard it as an unambiguous war of self-defence it’s not pure jingoism.

        I think people are greatly underestimating the cost of this war, it’s like the home front of WW1 there right now, a generation wiped out, then replaced by the next set of 18 year olds, that also get wiped out. Except Ukraine is careful to keep casualties as invisible as possible. Rationing and complete shutdown of much of the economy. Meanwhile Russia can soak up the deaths with less impact on their society.

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        Zelensky ran on a peace platform so he got more votes in Donetsk, Lugansk and the other regions in the East, as you go further West you get less and less people voting for him until you reach Lviv and overseas voters where they voted for PoroshenKKKo