Snapshot of Eurozone inflation falls to 5.5% in sharp contrast to UK. Economists put reason for divergence down to Brexit and Britain’s energy price guarantee.

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    The CAP is an environmental disaster. The UK has now created its own agriculture policy that does not subsidise production. This was not possible whilst in the EU.

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      So I suppose what you are saying is, now that the cost of food production has increased that’s made investments in these things more viable? Kind of sounds like some significant downsides for the other part of that equation. Not quite a Brexit benefit for the rest of us, just those in a specific VC funded R+D company.

      I also think… those investments could have still happened in the EU tbh, could and maybe should have been government funded research anyway, considering there is at least one large vertical farm company in Germany.

      Not really buying that as a benefit myself, but at least it is arguable!

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        No, the disruption to supply chains from covid and brexit have driven investment decisions to grow more in the UK and to use tech to replace low skill labour that wasn’t possible with FOM providing serfs to grub about in the dirt. Cheap labour is a barrier to tech. Modern slavery is a big issue in farming

        The CAP was designed to deliver cheap food during conflict, it’s failed at the first real test.

        The CAP takes the largest slice of the EU budget and the ‘modern’ farming it encourages have destroyed biodiversity and soil

        Policy to fix this has failed miserably to the tune of our entire net contribution to the budget of 66b

        https://www.arc2020.eu/cap-billions-spent-on-biodiversity-with-little-impact-auditors/

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          No, the disruption to supply chains from covid and brexit have driven investment decisions to grow more in the UK and to use tech to replace low skill labour that wasn’t possible with FOM providing serfs to grub about in the dirt. Cheap labour is a barrier to tech. Modern slavery is a big issue in farming

          I agree, modern slavery is an issue as is paying these workers too little these are really domestic problems though which we still have thanks to the government farm worker visa scheme importing them from the RoW anyway. Germany and Finland both have FoM and they have 2 of the top vertical farm companies (one of them even has a project in Bedford apparently. So I don’t really see how they can do it in the EU, and somehow we couldn’t?

          The CAP was designed to deliver cheap food during conflict, it’s failed at the first real test.

          It was designed to ensure food security and nobody has gone hungry so that’s not really true is it.

          The CAP takes the largest slice of the EU budget and the ‘modern’ farming it encourages have destroyed biodiversity and soil

          Natural resources including CAP, CFP and any other rural and environmental measures so that’s not really true either is it? Also, even if you do include all that, it comes second to Growth projects (38% vs 47.01%)

          Policy to fix this has failed miserably to the tune of our entire net contribution to the budget of 66b

          Hasn;t Brexit already cost more than our total contributions over 47 years? We were close to that according to Forbes 3 years ago.

          https://www.forbes.com/sites/niallmccarthy/2020/01/21/brexit-costs-close-to-matching-britains-total-eu-contributions-infographic/

          So we’ve spent multiple times more than EU contributions would have been for the last few years to fix nothing, and stimulate an industry that is apparently already thriving within the EU.

          Doesn’t sound like a Brexit benefit to me, it’s just loss after loss.

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            Infarm’s farm went bust.

            Hasn;t Brexit already cost more than our total contributions over 47 years?

            No

            Even by the measure that the OBR states, GDP per capita, UK was 2nd in Europe in 2016 and is still 2nd in 2022. The economic impact has been massively overstated.

            https://data.worldbank.org/indicator/NY.GDP.PCAP.CD?locations=GB-XC&start=2016

            Investment may have been delayed, but that’s just delayed. There’s plenty of money looking at undervalued UK companies in deeptech and fintech

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              No

              What on earth do you mean ‘No’.

              Even by the measure that the OBR states, GDP per capita, UK was 2nd in Europe in 2016 and is still 2nd in 2022. The economic impact has been massively overstated.

              What’s that got to do with what I asked you?

              I’m talking about a figure that’s been spent/lost or not earned due to Brexit, and the OBR puts it at well over 200 billion now. Which is more than we ever spent on the EU in total over 47 years. Just a fact mate.

              Investment may have been delayed, but that’s just delayed. There’s plenty of money looking at undervalued UK companies in deeptech and fintech

              Or maybe, investment would have been even higher in the EU and we might have some of the top vert farm companies, like Germany and Finland does eh?

              I really don’t think you’ve demonstrated at all that Brexit has benefitted the vertical farm industry like you said it has.

              Simply, no Brexit benefits here, as per usual when you scratch the claim even slightly.