Can you point to an example in history where this worked? Because all the examples of successful big changes (womens right to vote for example) have included mass uprisings, and violence directed at those in power, and often their financial interests.
Nonviolence resistance has had successes. It’s a great way of winning over public opinion.
Here, it’s the establishment resisting regressive forces of change. The Nazi grow when they can show the established ways in bad light. “Look how those woke liberals are. You don’t want to be like that, so you want to be with us.”
Like those Andrew Tate videos that aren’t directly him, but a laughing response to a video of “liberals” responding to a video of his.
Sure, but that’s public opinion of the political parties. If, say, trans rights are being attacked. You push to get non-terfs into office and you get a few, but not enough to ensure transfolk are safe. What then? I mean, even with enough representatives in office it could take years to make real changes in people’s lives.
So, do you wait until next election? Accepting in the mean time that hundreds if not thousands of people will become homeless, become socially ioslated, and die by suicide?
No. I don’t think many would say that is the right course of action. So then what? A mass movement is the only way to force the government’s hand. Peaceful at first sure, but with a clear plan to win, with intentional planned escalations, targeting those in power by threatening their popularity, and financial interests. But why then should you wait until the election? Show those in power what they have to lose through a mass movement before any election occurs.
If it’s just to make them look silly and not liked, but not actually hurt.
If someone stabbed Farage, he’d make such hay of it. I’d half expect him to have arranged it! Wouldn’t surprise me if he arranged the odd milkshake too, to keep him in the news.
Oh no, making hay. That totally cancels out getting stabbed.
Sick to death of this nothing-works attitude. Yeah - there is no course of action that fascists won’t claim proves them right. Stop listening to fascist claims. They lie. They’re fascists. That’s their schtick. But in the same way as deplatformed cranks shouting ‘I was cancelled!’ to an empty room, and spanked children insisting ‘that didn’t hurt!,’ sometimes you can ignore the words coming out of their stupid mouths.
I think we need to keep being better than them. Not get dragged into the mud with them.
Can you point to an example in history where this worked? Because all the examples of successful big changes (womens right to vote for example) have included mass uprisings, and violence directed at those in power, and often their financial interests.
Nonviolence resistance has had successes. It’s a great way of winning over public opinion.
Here, it’s the establishment resisting regressive forces of change. The Nazi grow when they can show the established ways in bad light. “Look how those woke liberals are. You don’t want to be like that, so you want to be with us.”
Like those Andrew Tate videos that aren’t directly him, but a laughing response to a video of “liberals” responding to a video of his.
Public opinion is worthless, if the “public” isn’t involved in the fight. Can you give an example of nonviolent resistance working?
We about to have an election, which all about public opinion.
Sure, but that’s public opinion of the political parties. If, say, trans rights are being attacked. You push to get non-terfs into office and you get a few, but not enough to ensure transfolk are safe. What then? I mean, even with enough representatives in office it could take years to make real changes in people’s lives.
So, do you wait until next election? Accepting in the mean time that hundreds if not thousands of people will become homeless, become socially ioslated, and die by suicide?
No. I don’t think many would say that is the right course of action. So then what? A mass movement is the only way to force the government’s hand. Peaceful at first sure, but with a clear plan to win, with intentional planned escalations, targeting those in power by threatening their popularity, and financial interests. But why then should you wait until the election? Show those in power what they have to lose through a mass movement before any election occurs.
That’s how you make change.
The point will be to win over public opinion.
I see. Well truly best of luck with that. I only hope that you learn from experience.
How’d we solve the previous round of Nazis? Polite patience and understanding?
Identifying when people threaten everyone you love and telling them to fuck right off is being better than them.
I’m not saying we tolerant intolerance. Just not we shouldn’t be first to violence. Milkshakes fine, rocks, not fine. Mock them don’t hit them.
What do you think intolerance of intolerance entails?
… is a milkshake to the face not “hitting them?”
If it’s just to make them look silly and not liked, but not actually hurt.
If someone stabbed Farage, he’d make such hay of it. I’d half expect him to have arranged it! Wouldn’t surprise me if he arranged the odd milkshake too, to keep him in the news.
Oh no, making hay. That totally cancels out getting stabbed.
Sick to death of this nothing-works attitude. Yeah - there is no course of action that fascists won’t claim proves them right. Stop listening to fascist claims. They lie. They’re fascists. That’s their schtick. But in the same way as deplatformed cranks shouting ‘I was cancelled!’ to an empty room, and spanked children insisting ‘that didn’t hurt!,’ sometimes you can ignore the words coming out of their stupid mouths.
We don’t have to give them a platform. Not quite the same as deplatforming. Farage is given way to much platform for the votes he gets.
Incorrect.
Is it “de” if you don’t have it the first place?
Really? I think you should punch Nazis in the fucking face.