• GrouchyGrouse [he/him]@hexbear.net
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    Dear lurking liberal shitheads who bashed communists and others who said they refused to vote for genocide no matter how much you claimed they were helping Trump usher in a world of fascist darkness.

    Congratulations. I hope you get a good refund price for all the smug moral superiority you’ve been lugging around for 10 months.

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      They won’t care. Just as fascists refuse all consistency and analytic precision in their thinking as long as it gives them access to power, liberals refuse all consistency and analytic precision in their thinking as long as it lets them claim the moral high ground.

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      Says while doing nothing other than bitching online, all smug and full of moral superiority.

      Seriously, you don’t get to do nothing and feel superior. If you don’t vote, it means you are ok with either choice. If you are not ok with either choice, take to the streets, start your revolution, do something, but DO it, don’t just say it.

      Not voting, not taking action in politics, calling people names and then complaining after the fact is not morally superior to anyone, nor is it helpful to any cause. And no, posting online is not taking action.

      Also, will this opinion get me banned? Just asking

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        Not voting, not taking action in politics

        Voting is not action. If you vote and don’t do anything else, you are not taking action in politics.

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          You’ll get banned for being fascist though.

          Yep, thought as much. Being called a fascist for saying to either participate in the political life of your country or take to the streets and actively protest, don’t just stand there with your cock in hand, writing silly posts online, “”“dunking”“” on people from the comfort of your couch and being the epitome of the radical chic. A keyboard lion, all mighty and proud, counting absolutely nothing in the real world.

          And I repeat, not voting and doing nothing is exactly like saying “I’m fine with either option”

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            actively protest

            Do you have any idea how many people here on hexbear and lemmygrad are involved in actual revolutionary organizing?

            I can’t vouch for most people here specifically, but for my part I can tell you at least some of us are doing actual movement and coalition building and others here can attest to that.

            That is why we don’t give a fuck about investing any energy into electoralism and this is not the place for such talk outside of c/electoralism and even there the intent is to contain electoral politics in one comm that people can ignore because it’s a waste of time without an actual movement to pressure bourgeois politicians.

            The work that CLN is doing for example has actually improved the real material conditions of more people and saved more lives than 99.9% of any vote you could ever cast, and Biden is actively hostile to us and the very existence of indigenous people in this country.

            You aren’t being called a fascist, just a smug condescending chauvinist who needs to shut the fuck up sit your ass down listen to those of us who know what we are doing and learn something or get the fuck out of our house.

            We all post here specifically to avoid assholes like you because you’re all over the rest of the internet and the rest of the country.

            @frauddogg@lemmygrad.ml Your rage is rubbing off on me lol.

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              Your rage is rubbing off on me lol.

              Rage is a powerful motivator, comrade-- harness it well, and you can flip a city with it.

              “To be a Negro in this country, and to be relatively conscious; is to be in a rage, almost all of the time. ” – James Baldwin

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                The funniest part about all this is that this ignorant motherfucker doesn’t get it that my vote in California means nothing and after that assassination attempt none of our votes matter at all if they even ever did. He was already going to win but mark my words, after this Trump wins in a landslide I guaran-fucking-tee it.

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              Do you have any idea how many people here on hexbear and lemmygrad are involved in actual revolutionary organizing?

              tbh no, all I see everyone talking about is either about “dunking on the libs”, whatever that means, circle jerking about some dictatorship somewhere in the world or complaining about the USA.

              You aren’t being called a fascist, just a smug condescending chauvinist who needs to shut the fuck up

              Nope, he definitely said fascist. Also, thanks for the free insults, I’ma leave now, good luck with your organization

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                No you were told that you would be banned if you were being a fascist. We let libs like you stick around till you say some mask off bigoted shit.

                tbh no, all I see everyone talking about is either about “dunking on the libs”, whatever that means, circle jerking about some dictatorship somewhere in the world or complaining about the USA.

                No investigation no right to speak, I have posted a lot of stuff about what sort of praxis I am engaged in and folks here have donated to the efforts of our org more than almost any other source.

                You just fixate on things you can’t understand. As I said this is a space for us to shitpost and communicate with other serious/supportive comrades.

                People like you get rightfully bullied until you shut the fuck up and do the work, do the reading, or listen to your peers.

                Right now you seem to be doing nothing but screaming “VOOOOOOOTE” and vague gesturing toward “protesting” without any seeming understanding of the underlying organization and theory required to make protest effective.

                Anyone can “protest”. Building an effective movement requires a whole lot more and that is where I say that it is more important to invest our energy into agitation and movement building and relation building than it is to take precious time out of a work day to vote for people that want to kill us.

                Last chance to start engaging in good faith and drop the smuglord liberal shit before I call on you to be banned.

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                all I see everyone talking about is either about “dunking on the libs”,

                Because if we talk about the actions we were at, the exact movements of the organizations we’re almost all parts of, or the formations we’ve contributed time and effort to, that could be a PII-spilling self-doxx, you absolute fucktrumpet. As seen by the way the FBI has come down on the Uhuru 3, as seen by the way the Atlanta Cop City protestors are facing RICO charges for their protests, as seen by the way people who donated to their legal and bail funds have been getting persecuted, WE CANNOT AFFORD TO VIOLATE OUR OWN OPSEC SO SMARMY FUCKBAG LIBERALS LIKE YOU CAN POOH-POOH ABOUT IT.

                By all my ancestors, do they just not teach critical thinking anymore? Don’t respond to me, or really anyone here until you’ve cut a check for a bail fund, put money on somebody’s commissary, or faced down cops at a picket you peckerwood shitstain. Stay your cracker ass out, your energy is bad and you have no works worth acknowledging.

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                  By all my ancestors, do they just not teach critical thinking anymore?

                  In most schools in the US not really actually. They teach you to memorize what is on the standardized tests so they can meet some arbitrary metrics and secure more public funds for performing according to the metrics set by a bunch of Karens on school boards and geriatric state legislators.

                  They don’t even teach people how to source shit anymore or how to be media literate online like they did back when the internet was becoming a thing.

                  If I could add one thing to the curriculum of every high school in America there would be a required media literacy class and the course material would be to listen to every single episode of citations-needed Citations Needed.

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                I said you would get banned for being a fascist. I didn’t call you a fascist. You’ll get banned if you post fascist comments.

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              This is peak liberalism, the only thing they can think of beyond the ballot box is “protesting” but only in a way that is not productive and consists of holding signs (but not to offensive ones) and then clearing the streets as soon as the fascist pigs tell them to.

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            Being called a fascist for saying to either participate in the political life of your country or take to the streets and actively protest, don’t just stand there with your cock in hand, writing silly posts online, “”“dunking”“” on people from the comfort of your couch and being the epitome of the radical chic. A keyboard lion, all mighty and proud, counting absolutely nothing in the real world.

            We’re not dunking on you for telling us to do something outside of voting, we’re dunking on you because you came here all smug, as liberals typically do, telling (mostly to yourself, probably) that we don’t do anything because that’s the only way left that you can still pretend to have the moral high ground after your “We NeEd To VoTe 99% HiTlEr To KeEp Out 100% HiTlEr” narrative crumbled.

            Here’s something to try cramming in your libworms infested brain: just because you don’t see something doesn’t mean it doesn’t exist, especially when you haven’t even actually looked.

            We do in fact take to the street and protest, a lot of us go to protests in their areas, a lot of us are part of a political organization or plan to join one in the near future, when someone ask what we should be doing, protesting and organizing are everyone’s reflex answer, it’s what we emphasize above all.

            not voting and doing nothing is exactly like saying “I’m fine with either option”

            “Fine” isn’t the right word but we indeed don’t care who win the election between the 2 since we don’t buy the liberal gaslighting campaign that Biden isn’t as bad as Trump.

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        Says while doing nothing other than bitching online

        And what the fuck do you think you’re doing right now? You don’t have any arguments to defend the status quo so all you have left is assuming everyone here is as much of a worthless basement dweller as you

        Voting, while not organizing or taking real action in politics, calling people names accusing them of “bitching” and then complaining after the fact is not morally superior to anyone, nor is it helpful to any cause. And no, posting online about vote blue no matter who is not taking action

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    What happened to all the lemm.ee libs that used to come running to cry about the mortal peril and massive evil of Donald Trump? Where’s all the smuglords “correcting” me for saying the two candidates are unquantifiably evil? Where’s the debatelords arguing that Biden isn’t a sheepdog and isn’t just doing what Trump wants to do?

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    This is a lot like that time Trump got covid and the r/politics mods were handing out bans for not having adequate emotional investment.

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      Even my Christian, somewhat conservative grandma was like “I hope he doesn’t get better” when he got covid. I’m not sure what she thinks about this shooting but having called him a nazi before she is probably disappointed the shooter missed.

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    I pick up my Staff of Shit-Stirring and wave it over my head, calling the Lemmy Libs to explain themselves.

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      Oh I’ve already talked to libs about this. The excuse is that Democrats are expected to be the party of civility and if they don’t act like that they lose suburbanite moderates that will think both parties are the same if Democrats are rude.

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        Unlucky you. Ugh if someone says “When they go low…” one more time, I’m going to bury the US in a blizzard.

        And I really just want the lemmy users to come here and explain their bullshit ideology.

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        okay, now they need to explain those suburbanite moderates

        or even better, explain why their votes are worth losing however many times more votes from people who are repulsed by this two-faced rhetoric

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          worth losing however many times more votes from people who are repulsed by this two-faced rhetoric

          I tried to suggest this being a thing to them but they insist there’s more of the surburbanite moderates.

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            makes you wonder, who does believe trump will replace democracy with fascism? do the suburban moderates believe that? does the democratic party believe that?

            is there anyone who simultaneously believes that, opposes that, and yet wants to be civil to him? how many people are in that venn diagram?

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    “Make America great again” - Trump

    “To make America so to make America what it is to think about it what’s make America so special” - Biden

    You can see the teleprompter from the window’s reflections. You can just make out the letters scrolling from Biden’s forehead lmao