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The original press release seems to be gone now, but here is what is claimed to be the revised release, and an article on the same topic.
https://www1.wdr.de/nachrichten/polizei-dortmund-greta-gewaltbereit-100.html
https://www.yahoo.com/news/german-politician-calls-greta-thunberg-102611513.html
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The reason you don’t hear about Greta anymore is because she didn’t let her conscience stop at climate change. She’s a left wing activist fighting for social justice in all things.
The rich will mold her image in history the same way they did for MLK, leaving out all the aspects of her politics that make them squirm.
Same reason we immortalized the child version of Helen Keller. Though she lived to 87.
Or the Diary of Ann Frank. Easier to control the narrative around children than to discuss the politics of grown adults.
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No wonder they teach it in schools.
A holocaust denier or Nazi might claim that her death was due to natural causes. Ignoring that the reason why she got typhus is due to the horrid conditions in the camp and her lack of treatment in it.
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A holocaust denier or Nazi
There is a difference?
Some Nazis take deep pride in the slaughter of others. They believe in the Vae victis philosophy of having absolutely no rules of conduct other than ‘I am the last man standing and you are dead’ idea.
Could you elaborate?
I never realized that, and it is kind of messed up. Although I suppose the main thing that happened for her happened as a child, the story of how she came to understand that words had meaning, starting with “water.” I suppose I don’t hardly know anything about the rest of her life.
Happily, when Helen was a young woman she assumed blindness to be a misfortune. A cruel test from God that nobody could control. Then she was appointed to a body that advocated for the affairs of the blind. And was faced with the stark reality that much of the blindness in the world was caused by people. Industrial accidents and chemical exposures often caused by the greed and selfishness of the owning class and the minimal protection afforded to citizens who didn’t merit the governments protection. So she joined the wobblies, the IWW.
From which she soon became one of the most radical members.
In her own words from an interview with Barbara Bindley with the New York tribune, 1915
“What are you committed to - education or revolution?”
“Revolution.” She answered decisively. “We can’t have education without revolution. We have tried peace education for 1900 years and it has failed. Let us try revolution and see what it will do now.”
“I am not for peace at all hazards. I regret this war, but I never regretted the blood of the thousands spilled during the French Revolution. And the workers are learning how to stand alone. They are learning a lesson they will apply to their own good out in the trenches. Generals testify to the splendid initiative the workers in the trenches take. If they can do that for their masters you can be sure they will do that for themselves when they have taken matters into their own hands.”
“Don’t forget the workers are getting their discipline in the trenches,” Miss Keller continued. “They are acquiring the will to combat.”
And thus her statue
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I assume they’re referring to her being an outspoken socialist as an adult.
Conscience*
Lol, early morning swipe typing.
The thing than never fails to make me laugh are “fuck greta” stickers on cars or bikes. Especially if it’s a little VW golf.
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Could you elaborate what you mean by that?
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No. They’re not. She’s not. But go ahead and keep getting your news from the bullshit factories.
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What’s your opinion on the current multiple military actions in Palestine and Lebanon? I think that might shed some light on your current bias.
They’re very pro Israel fyi
rofl
Yes. Greta is well known for her violent tendency to be limply carried away by police from protests where she stands there…violently. have you seen the graphic photos of police carrying her away? It’s a wonder they survive the encounter.
Attacking our batons with your shoulder blades and our pepper spray with your faces.
You said it. Shoulder BLADES
And near them are TRAP…ezoids
Yeah it’s kinda what I was thinking. That lady and her terrorism have gone too far!
Exactly. That’s the first picture that came to my mind immediately. I describe it rather peaceful.
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The news in Germany is also shockingly biased. Obviously things like the Bild were going to be, but even on more mainstream news, you don’t hear about Palestinian casualties, nor do you hear interviews with Palestinians or Israelis against of the war (at most you get an Israeli who’s slightly critical of methods, but still thinks Israel should be actively defending itself). If you’re a German who doesn’t look at international sources for news, it would be very strange not to support Israel, based on what you’re hearing. It’s infuriating, but it’s also difficult to change. I don’t know what it would take for the German media to stop supporting them.
I do not know what you’re reading or watching but the SZ for one has been reporting both sides quite frequently. I’ve just yesterday read an interview with a Palestinian-Israelian and a Jewish-Isrealian on the topic of how the West is still too hooked on the premise of two seperate states and that in their vision for peace a federal union with an unbiased and lawful constitution would be best.
I do not know if I am too unconcerned of that particular conflict right now, but it does bug me that it seems that there is barely any voices in between on the internet and most public voices. You either have unconditional support for Israel or you have people calling Isreal genocidal and comparing the state to Nazi-Germany.
How either of those sides wants to solve the issue is beyond me, if both sites keep their stance without even trying to debate on the problems (granted you have people in power on both sides of the conflict, willing to change, which I frankly don’t see at all) there will not be any solution for this. Because right now Israel will bomb its neighbours into oblivion while they are being played as puppets by Iran and other invested countries or you will have to dissolute Israel which the USA and Germany will not (and in the latter case cannot) allow. So much for advocating for peace on both sides.
I’m mostly going off of the Tagesschau and FAZ, but that’s good to know about SZ. I do hear super pro Palestinian takes (I’m on the calling this a genocide side, but not on the glorifying Hamas side), but those tend to be from local Marxist groups (student town) or foreign publications, so a more mainstream, balanced source is nice.
I unfortunately agree that this is probably not going to get solved in time.
A lot of Germans still remember the 1972 Summer Olympics massacre in Munich and the aftermath like the plane hijack to free the captured perpetrators and are therefore biased against Palestinians, suspecting a lot of violent people among them. It’s not a good environment to protest.
German here: if you take peaceful demonstration as an option away from people, they are left with two options: being resigned or non-peaceful demonstration. The German stance to hinder peaceful demonstration against the Israeli atrocities is stupid and labeling Greta Thunberg as primed for violence is beyond stupid. And the majority of Germans has no active memory of the 72 Olympics incident.
I’m guessing they’re feeling guilty for the holocaust and as an apology, they’re letting the jews in Israel do one of their own.
As a German: Our government, as an apology, is letting the Israeli government do a genocide of their own. You were so close, and then you took the anti-semitic turn by referring to “the jews” :(
However, also as a German: While I do absolutely wish Israel was forced to stop the atrocities they commit, and pay reparations, I believe that - given our specific history with the state of Israel and what Germans did to the Jewish population of Europe just ~80 years ago, there are plenty of states in the world that are better candidates to take an aggressive political stance towards Israel, before Germany does.
Some of us are still very much committed to absolutely defending the absolute right of Israel to exist as a state, while also (albeit sadly less of us) there are people who at the same time see the war crimes committed by the Israeli army and secret services against civilian populations of Gaza & Lebanon.
But the German government can not just take the side of Palestinians here, not because the current Israeli administration does not belong in jail, but because there are those who will - should the pendulum swing to the other side again - ask for revenge / war on Israel / commit crimes against Israeli civilians. Or, as we already see, use the violence in the middle east to justify hate crimes against Israelis or Jewish people in other countries.
Those who do the killing are evil on both sides, and those who do the suffering and dying are mostly not the same group of people - neither in Israel, nor in Gaza or Lebanon.
Long story short - Germany is stuck between a rock and a hard place in this, and it is MUCH easier for virtually any other country in the world to speak on behalf of the Palestinians. Doesn’t mean we shouldn’t speak out, but I can understand why German politicians are very carefully weighing their options on this.
The concern is legitimate, but it falls into the same “never again - to us” pit Israel fell into. Another potential framing one could take of the issue - one I feel is more helpful - would go something like: 80 years ago, the world got together to help save Germany from itself, and it’s time to return the favor, hopefully before it gets completely out of hand like last time.
It’d be a good take on this, but there are still too many people in the world that fall for hypocrisy when one side is lying through their teeth and the other is calling out the bullshit and saying things as they are. Too many people will side with the liars who would claim that Israel is acting in self-defense and fighting “terrorists”.
Edit: I had to reword a few sentences (previous and next), because it seemed as if I was talking about liars on the one hand, and nazi parties on the other, as if they weren’t one and the same - that is absolutely not what I meant, I just reworded too much and then read it myself and thought “oh damn”.
I admit that the higher risk in Germany right now is the anti-“brown people”, putin-loving piece of shit nazi party (AfD, in case you were wondering, but CDU/CSU comes close), and not any anti-semitic party. So I guess calling out Israeli war crimes wouldn’t come with an immediate risk of a rise in anti-semitism.
I guess that’s also the problem here. Palestinians are seen as “brown people” and the post 2001 hate-filled news escalation has deepened the deeply ingrained racism in many parts of European societies. So among our political parties (and I don’t see a difference from most European countries), none is really vocal about the crimes against humanity being committed in Gaza and Lebanon. And previously Syria. And Iraq. And Afghanistan. And before that Iran. Notice a pattern?
Israel doesn’t have a right to exist. Religion based countries will always resort to fighting anyone that doesn’t conform to their flavor of religion.
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It’s sad, but also makes me really angry, that “pro Palestine” and “supporting Israel” are now seen as polar opposites.
Also, the ongoing war is in no way connected to the 1940’s Holocaust, apart from the obvious “they’re both unspeakably horrible”.The holocaust led to more jews going to the holy land which lead to the creation of the state of Israel, which since its inception has had expelling the Palestinians as its main goal. Palestinians rightfully so started resisting through different groups which has lead to Israel doubling down on its genocidal motives leading to today. They are connected just not as obviously as other events.
Israel was primed to be created regardless of the holocaust
Israel cannot exist as a concept if you support Palestinians right to exist. They’re fundamentally incompatible.
… What? There are fully integrated Palestinians living in Israel right now, they could just integrate them or let them establish their own self rule in one form or another
All it takes is to improve conditions and slowly increase rights for Palestinians until they’re full citizens. Probably start by making it illegal to mow them down in the streets. If you cut off the flow of new recruits, Hamas will wither. If conditions are rapidly improving, it’s hard to convince people to martyr themselves
And Israel could do that… Just not with an unpopular administration that is using this conflict to stay in power
Netanyahu’s administration has support from the majority of the population, and has only lost some support due to not eliminating Gaza fast enough. There is no world where the fascist imperialist settler colony of Israel exists while free Palestinians exist. The people of Israel have made that clear, not the administration.
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Drag seems to be a fucking moron if he talks shit like that.
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Imagine declaring violent someone for their demonstrations against a genocide
This is how it works these days. And in a convenient framing, antizionism has disappeared from the MSM vocabulary. It’s all antisemitism now.
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Greta is an absolute freak.
Her basic decency, which I have to assume is some kind of random genetic mutation, risks putting our species in a forgivable light.
Not cool Greta. You could at least throw some trash on the ground or something to fit in.
wow I never would’ve thought Germany to be in favor of genocide. I guess there’s a first for everything.
Feels a bit like a cheater letting their spouse be abusive to them because they feel so guilty for cheating. Germany fucked up so they’re going to let the victim do whatever, even if what the victim is doing is wrong.
eh, they’re going back towards fascism themselves
Feels like the entire world is going backwards and yet at the same time the majority of people don’t want that. Which just tells you how much power truly is in the hands of the few.
why tho. money?
Because we have forgotten the pain of our grandparents and great grandparents, if we ever knew it. Because we’re taught hollow, neutered versions of the chronology in history class, without ever examining the social dynamics, the psychological mechanisms of propaganda and the causes for this ideological cancer. Because a good chunk of our people are in misery in some way and have never been given the tools to actually figure out why, so when the next round of grifters came by and gave them an enemy to blame, a golden past to glorify and an easily digestible reason for why their lives are bad, they fell for it just like our ancestors did.
Maybe other parts have it better, but looking back at my own schooling, we didn’t learn from history because we never learned the whole history.
old habits die hard
When exactly was Israel a victim of Germany?
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The press release has since been updated and a correction issued:
https://www.presseportal.de/blaulicht/pm/4971/5882017
The assembly leader of the Palestine protest camp informed the Dortmund police today that Ms. Greta Thunberg wanted to visit the assembly in Emil-Figge-Straße. Following an examination by Dortmund Police Headquarters, the latter issued an order banning the camp.
The Dortmund police carried out a risk assessment for the assembly. The announced visit by Ms. Thunberg led to the conclusion that there would be more people at the venue than stated in the assembly registration. The time frame specified in the assembly confirmation would also have been exceeded. The recent events in connection with Thunberg were taken into account in the assessment. After intensive examination as part of a risk assessment, the Dortmund police headquarters ordered the ban and the associated dissolution of the assembly.
The assembly leader announced on site that the assembly had ended and arranged for the camp to be dismantled.
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Eh, it’s a screenshot of social media…
Would 100% be nice to have a link of the article in the tweet’s screenshot, but it doesn’t seem like enough to remove the post.
I found the website, but it’s in German, and I dont sprechen enough Deutsch to find a “translate” option, so here’s an English source.
https://www.dw.com/en/greta-thunberg-says-germany-silencing-pro-palestinian-cause/a-70443304
If you’re asking for the text of the tweet to be copied pasted to be inclusive for the seeing impaired, that’s a good idea but not really standard, so feel free to type it out yourself to assist.
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literally read the w3c standards
This?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Wide_Web_Consortium
I’m legitimately not sure what you’re talking about…
If it’s that. I still dont understand how you think that applies or why Lemmy needs to follow that organizations recommendations.
They seem to also want html5 to have DRM…
That’s definitely not happening.
I’m all for accessibility though. So by all means provide the caption, if you just want to keep arguing that just this one post you don’t like should be removed because you disagree with it for other reasons. We’re not going to do that
Hey I apologize, was almost literally on the way out the door to take a family member to the ER when I saw that and hit the crosspost button. Am only home a few minutes now, but will add the text later when I’m going to be home awhile. Apologies!
You’re good
If it was just a screenshot of the article it would have been removed, but a screenshot of a tweet that already has a screenshot of the article is grey enough I didn’t remove it
Not sure why that other person choose this specific post to demand all text in a picture is typed out, it’s a good idea for accessibility tho so go for it if you want. But its not like every post has to have it
You’re good
Thanks! I did at least rather lazily added more info to the body of OP. I’ll take care to be fully compliant in the future.
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Ok. So go make a sub where that’s the rules.
Because that’s not the rules here
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Link is more important than the text
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Which standard are you referring too?
I get where they’re coming from since you could consider her voice as a weapon. Now sit down and shut the fuck up, the kids are talking. They gotta unshit this goddamn world since everyone before either stopped trying or advocated to make things worse.
Greta is a shining light of inspiration for every autistic person out there. I was in my mid-30s when she rose to prominence and I want to say that when I grow up I want to be her…
Mossad’s Epstein files must be wild.
But also
Epsteins Mossad files must be wild.
She gonna get the Julian Asange treatment
In my fantasies, Greta becomes the most feared revolutionary - like a new age Boudica, and sets the world to rights in a rampage of justice.
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The press agency removed that part now and calls it a mistake.
Oh well it’s like it never happened then!
I personally wouldn’t mind if protests she support get violent, like really fight the operative systems destroying humanity and ecosystems.
I would not prefer it, but def wouldn’t mind, in fact I would still support them. Actually, statistically speaking, non-violent protests arent really effective and still get shut down with violence.
