• Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.worksOP
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      If the ultras had been denied their hard AF brexit and we’d gone for the sensible Norway option of single market access but no political union, then there’d be zero brexit downsides.

      So, any brexit cost is down to the Tories failed negotiations and failed implementation

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        Possibly, but that’s entirely hypothetical. This is the Brexit we’ve got, and it was delivered by mostly the same people who were promoting it in the first place.

          • ᴇᴍᴘᴇʀᴏʀ 帝A
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            That’s what the Brexiteers I know say - the idea is good but the implementation was bad. It is rather a moot point because they would have to rely on a Tory government to “do Brexit right” and even if they were able to go for a Norway deal, which the hardliners would never have allowed, they have demonstrated a staggering lack of competence.

            • Bernie Ecclestoned@sh.itjust.worksOP
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              I voted for lexit, I wasn’t expecting a right wing government to implement it

              The replacement Agriculture Policy is better than the CAP at least

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                I was aware of numerous good left wing arguments for Brexit, especially the CAP, but I couldn’t figure out how it would have been done. You’d have had to somehow get the right Labour government in against the headwinds of a Tory press arguing that voting conservative was the only way to get Brexit done.

                The Brexiteers I know say this isn’t the Brexit they voted for but it wasn’t a complicated multiple-choice referendum, they voted Leave and left implementation in the hands of whatever idiot had clawed their way to the top of the Tory party.

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                  I’m hoping for a hung parliament and the lib dems or SNP make proportional representation a price for power. That would be a massive change, along with replacing the House of Lords with a more democratic upper house.

                  I think having more representation would make policy better, rather than the current model where winner takes all and policies to suit a small section of the population.

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    oh the economy is fine now? is it fuck

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      I don’t think the article makes that assertion. It simply says that the economy has recovered past pre pandemic levels but that Truss fucked it up badly. If anything it is merely stating that th economy is resilient. Not that it is fine and we’re still pretty low down in the G7 figures perhaps lower than we ought to be because of Truss.

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        its the word wonderful that stood out. Brexit is a disaster, truss was a disaster and the last few years have been pretty miserable. These right wing idiots are deluded if they think brexit has been justified. It may well be that some city spreadsheets are looking better, but that isnt any use to anyone.

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          I would imagine the argument against what you’re saying is that if Brexit was a disaster then the economy would be in free fall rapidly without signs of stopping and we’d be in a multi year recession by now. But that hasn’t happened. In fact it’s slightly up. Small numbers but up. Germany however is in recession. Who’d have thought that?

          So maybe disaster is a bit hyperbolic too? If we want to take the pressure out of debate and all?