• FundMECFSResearch@lemmy.blahaj.zoneOP
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      2 days ago

      It’s so stupid.

      Like he’s trying to push literally bedridden people who are unable to speak into jobs?

      What’s gonna happen, they aren’t gonna get one because they have no fucking energy or way to apply, and then it’ll be blamed on them they aren’t trying hard enough.

      Starmer, the problem ain’t disabled people, it’s the massively wealthy.

      • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
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        Nobody will want to hire them!

        Yes, 100%. Labour don’t have either the courage or the comittment to the long term to defy the financial industry and build a new economy. More and more people simply have no productive role in the current economy because the UK economy has become too focussed on capital and they don’t have any. All governments that try to maintain the current economy are flogging a dead horse. It’s done. I disagreed with the the Liz Truss budget, but it proved that government is completely beholden the financial industry and that no meaningful change can happen without the current UK economy being crashed. I think that the UK economy now has to crash and be reconstructed in a better form, which is what happened after the the great depression and second world war. Either that or we just carry on like we are and continue to slowly fade away into being a poor country.

        • Nester
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          No positive change happened as a result of 2008, and I doubt any change will happen if there was an equal or even greater crash now.

          The only way change will happen is if people demand it. The collective trauma of WW2 was enough to bring about change almost as if the populous went “That was shit, now we deserve something better”. That, and the fear of communist thought taking hold pushed the governing class to action.

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            There are a number of changes the UK needs to make, but are completely unsellable to the public. We’ve seen the backlash from cutting WFA for the wealthy, now imagine trying to tackle the growing problems that are the triple lock, massively increasing elderly social care costs, massively increasing elderly medical costs. Any party that makes the hard decisions to change that will 100% be voted out for the foreseeable future.

            I genuinely think the only way to have a massive shake-up is if the UK needs a bailout and certain conditions are forced upon us.

            It simply won’t happen otherwise, because no party will accept being unelectable for 20+ years in order to improve things in the future (to the benefit of their competitor), but cause pain in the present (to the harm of themselves). I’m honestly shocked Labour even went for WFA.

            • Churbleyimyam@lemm.ee
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              I genuinely think the only way to have a massive shake-up is if the UK needs a bailout and certain conditions are forced upon us.

              I totally agree.

              no party will accept being unelectable for 20+ years in order to improve things in the future

              Also totally agree. Not to mention that if it’s either Labour or the Tories they will spend their time in office dismantling everything their predecessor set up.

              IMO the WFA backlash was mostly a media thing though. I haven’t heard anyone in real life complain about it. I think Labour did a bad job of defending the rise in employer’s NI too. I haven’t heard any of them mention the fact that people on minimum wage (which will be going up soon) are obviously protected, the fact that employers have other options besides cutting wages to absorb the cost of it (like paying out less dividends) or that small businesses are exempt. I think Labour are down in the polls because they are basically getting spit roasted on one end by capital interests and the media because they are Labour and on the other end by the people for not being bold enough to meaningfully change anything.

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    2 days ago

    I’ve not read the article (obvs) but my wife used to work with long term sick people and she had to quit in the end because there were so many people just gaming the system who clearly could work. She also told me a story about some guy who was terminally ill and had less than a year to live but he was being sent to work.

    • HubertManne@moist.catsweat.com
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      this is a big reason I like a citizens income. everyone who needs it. gets it. motivation is there to make more and youll eventually pay more in taxes than what you get but its should be so incremental there is no reason to try to min max your earnings vs benefits. its there the moment you need it. no paperwork or beuracracy because you get it regardless.