Pretty sure this happens when there are “native” immigrants and a new group tries to come in. The delusion that racists will see them as two different kinds of immigrant and not treat them both the same shitty way.
So they pile up on the new arrivals out of fear the actual native population will start resenting them as well if they don’t, without realizing they never didn’t resent them in the first place. Brown people are brown people. There isn’t a racist in the world who cares if one of them has been a citizen for a decade and speaks the language fluently.
yeah, my dad was an immigrant, and said a surprising amount of the immigrant commuity has a “pull up the drawbridge” mentality.
they’re still probably in a minority of a minority though - but loud like other self obsessed arseholes.
creating a perception of competition for work, or status or whatever, as a zero sum game is the same as the fearmongering that the racists try to use to get moderate working class peoople on their side.
It’s called pulling up the ladder and more people in all walks of life are guilty of it than you think. Few want to admit they were helped and would rather you believe they pulled themselves up.
I am the child of immigrants from India who came a long time ago. I was born and raised here, and absolutely abhor and cannot understand how they can do this, so have been thinking about this a lot.
I think one of the factors is that often, it was the richest or highest castes from India and other countries that were able to afford to move here when it was legal and you could just jump on a boat. To buy the ticket was probably enough to factor most people out. They were therefore typically more Conservative in their views beforehand being on top of society that means you probably have a higher degree of that mentality of superiority due to genes/upbringing/social class similar to the upper classes here, so felt very at home with this British class system. I’ve heard some immigrant people make comments about the poorer in their societies being less smart, less willing to work, gaming the welfare systems etc, which sounds familiar right?
My parents, as an example of some immigrants, were suddenly at the bottom of this society and knew that it wasn’t because of their genes or intelligence. My dad went to university in India before moving but it was not recognised here so he worked in factory jobs most of his life. He is Song and had a turban but he had to cut it off to find work as they wouldn’t hire him otherwise. My mum moved before her teenage years and is one of the most intelligent women I know but didn’t do well in school because of the language barrier, racism (she was forced to go to school miles away from her sisters because there was a policy to divide ethnic groups between schools to not create non white majorities) and low expectations (University was never considered by her working class school or her parents as they could not understand the benefits over earning as soon as possible). It challenged their thinking on their views and made them more left wing. My parents were 100% working class in the British class system and worked their life to give my and my siblings an education to try to “move up” the system.
Some immigrants came over and did well straight away without much issue, so did not have any challenge to their existing views and fit quite nicely into the upper classes in British society. The British Upper class were welcoming as they matched values, had much experience together given lots of british upper classes lived in or experienced India during the Raj. These Indians could speak the “queens English” etc etc. I have a school friend whose grandfather started a clothes business and was very successful, and very early on after moving. He was brought up very wealthy, was taught it was because they were very smart and worked hard, with no mention of the minimum wage employees they used from the immigrant population to make that money, and is therefore extremely Conservative in his views.
Nowadays, there is not really a legal and safe path to the UK so the “upper class” foreigners are going elsewhere. In reality, we are now getting people so desperate to escape whatever horrors they had and have nothing to give up so they are willing to risk their lives and/or the people smugglers are taking advantage of these vulnerable people by offering passage for loans they will struggle to pay off. In the minds of Sunak and Suella, they are lesser people so we should keep them out.
It seems to me like the experience of black, other Asian or African immigrants is very different to this as they were always seen as “lesser”. There are many more Tories of Indian origin than other groups. I think the above goes some way to explain it
In the case of second gen immigrant, former deputy PM and raging thundercunt Dominic Raab it’s a case of being too stupid rather than too evil. I mean, he’s both, but more stupid, in contrast to Braverman. Sunak is neither, he’s just a sociopath with no care to anyone else.
I got mine, fuck everyone else. And a wish to appease locals.
I’m not sure about people from their home countries, but I’m a migrant and I don’t really like “my people”. I’m ethnically Russian (even though I’ve never been to Russia) and I don’t want to see more Russians in the UK. Most of them who come here are oligarchs or their relatives and friends, they are obnoxious, pro war and pro Putin, loud and aggressive. Do you really want these people? Yes, there are good Russian people who are trying to flee Putin’s regime, but they rarely have enough resources to get to the UK. They usually get settled in countries closer to Russia, like Georgia and Finland.
You’re not the only one, I used to think I’m the only one that cannot stand my ethnic group but after conversations with others, turns out no one else can either! We judge our own much harsher, and I do not know why.
Did not know this. Rishi and Cruella are also immigrants and keep going on about locking up immigrants.
Is there some kind of psychology at play here? This can’t be a coincidence.
Pretty sure this happens when there are “native” immigrants and a new group tries to come in. The delusion that racists will see them as two different kinds of immigrant and not treat them both the same shitty way.
So they pile up on the new arrivals out of fear the actual native population will start resenting them as well if they don’t, without realizing they never didn’t resent them in the first place. Brown people are brown people. There isn’t a racist in the world who cares if one of them has been a citizen for a decade and speaks the language fluently.
yeah, my dad was an immigrant, and said a surprising amount of the immigrant commuity has a “pull up the drawbridge” mentality.
they’re still probably in a minority of a minority though - but loud like other self obsessed arseholes.
creating a perception of competition for work, or status or whatever, as a zero sum game is the same as the fearmongering that the racists try to use to get moderate working class peoople on their side.
It was really an absurd sight, when Braverman stood in front of an almost all white party conference and belched out her jingoistic rhetoric.
It’s called pulling up the ladder and more people in all walks of life are guilty of it than you think. Few want to admit they were helped and would rather you believe they pulled themselves up.
I am the child of immigrants from India who came a long time ago. I was born and raised here, and absolutely abhor and cannot understand how they can do this, so have been thinking about this a lot.
I think one of the factors is that often, it was the richest or highest castes from India and other countries that were able to afford to move here when it was legal and you could just jump on a boat. To buy the ticket was probably enough to factor most people out. They were therefore typically more Conservative in their views beforehand being on top of society that means you probably have a higher degree of that mentality of superiority due to genes/upbringing/social class similar to the upper classes here, so felt very at home with this British class system. I’ve heard some immigrant people make comments about the poorer in their societies being less smart, less willing to work, gaming the welfare systems etc, which sounds familiar right?
My parents, as an example of some immigrants, were suddenly at the bottom of this society and knew that it wasn’t because of their genes or intelligence. My dad went to university in India before moving but it was not recognised here so he worked in factory jobs most of his life. He is Song and had a turban but he had to cut it off to find work as they wouldn’t hire him otherwise. My mum moved before her teenage years and is one of the most intelligent women I know but didn’t do well in school because of the language barrier, racism (she was forced to go to school miles away from her sisters because there was a policy to divide ethnic groups between schools to not create non white majorities) and low expectations (University was never considered by her working class school or her parents as they could not understand the benefits over earning as soon as possible). It challenged their thinking on their views and made them more left wing. My parents were 100% working class in the British class system and worked their life to give my and my siblings an education to try to “move up” the system.
Some immigrants came over and did well straight away without much issue, so did not have any challenge to their existing views and fit quite nicely into the upper classes in British society. The British Upper class were welcoming as they matched values, had much experience together given lots of british upper classes lived in or experienced India during the Raj. These Indians could speak the “queens English” etc etc. I have a school friend whose grandfather started a clothes business and was very successful, and very early on after moving. He was brought up very wealthy, was taught it was because they were very smart and worked hard, with no mention of the minimum wage employees they used from the immigrant population to make that money, and is therefore extremely Conservative in his views.
Nowadays, there is not really a legal and safe path to the UK so the “upper class” foreigners are going elsewhere. In reality, we are now getting people so desperate to escape whatever horrors they had and have nothing to give up so they are willing to risk their lives and/or the people smugglers are taking advantage of these vulnerable people by offering passage for loans they will struggle to pay off. In the minds of Sunak and Suella, they are lesser people so we should keep them out.
It seems to me like the experience of black, other Asian or African immigrants is very different to this as they were always seen as “lesser”. There are many more Tories of Indian origin than other groups. I think the above goes some way to explain it
I need to digest this. Points you make are valid, but I wanted to thank you for taking the effort to give a detailed response.
Really need more studies in this area.
In the case of second gen immigrant, former deputy PM and raging thundercunt Dominic Raab it’s a case of being too stupid rather than too evil. I mean, he’s both, but more stupid, in contrast to Braverman. Sunak is neither, he’s just a sociopath with no care to anyone else.
That’s a bit unkind - he’s looked after his in-laws very well.
I got mine, fuck everyone else. And a wish to appease locals.
I’m not sure about people from their home countries, but I’m a migrant and I don’t really like “my people”. I’m ethnically Russian (even though I’ve never been to Russia) and I don’t want to see more Russians in the UK. Most of them who come here are oligarchs or their relatives and friends, they are obnoxious, pro war and pro Putin, loud and aggressive. Do you really want these people? Yes, there are good Russian people who are trying to flee Putin’s regime, but they rarely have enough resources to get to the UK. They usually get settled in countries closer to Russia, like Georgia and Finland.
You’re not the only one, I used to think I’m the only one that cannot stand my ethnic group but after conversations with others, turns out no one else can either! We judge our own much harsher, and I do not know why.
It’s not that I can’t stand my ethnic group, it’s just that most of those who get into London are bloody dickheads.
You get the same thing in the US.
Best I can figure is they immigrated to get away from certain things, but those things followed.
I want to see a study on it.
Identifying with the aggressor.